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The Great Chain Of Being

(Logging at 21-MAR-2000 17:57)
1CAVERAT> hi royce
1CAVERAT> guess i was early
ROYCE3:Royce3> How is your day going?
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1CAVERAT> working as usual
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi dorcasq.
DORCASQ> HI! It took forever for me to get in here.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Idle hands do the devil's work.
1CAVERAT> me too. i was autologin
ROYCE3:Royce3> Glad you made it Dorcasq
DORCASQ> It told me my e-mail password was invalid when I signed in...??
ROYCE3:Royce3> This network has been acting up again.
1CAVERAT> Royce, just to advise you the test is still planned for tomorrow.
I will try to login about 6:15
ROYCE3:Royce3> Maybe they have a lot of new people.
ROYCE3:Royce3> OK, caverat.
1CAVERAT> If you have any questions about internet security, trolls, or
ROYCE3:Royce3> I wonder if Jeff Love is back from florida?
ROYCE3:Royce3> I haven't seen him on ICQ .
1CAVERAT> there will be a guy on here who has ALL the answers
ROYCE3:Royce3> That's usually a tip off.
DORCASQ> A guy always has ALL the answers!
DORCASQ> hahahaha
ROYCE3:Royce3> Who is it that will have all of the answers? I don't follow?
1CAVERAT> He said he would be willing to take questions at the end of the
test if there is time
ROYCE3:Royce3> Oh
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well this fellow has all the answers about what?
ROYCE3:Royce3> UFOs?
1CAVERAT> He is an associate who is assisting in the communication test
1CAVERAT> software wizard
DORCASQ> can I ask him why my computer keeps freezing up?
1CAVERAT> He was on with me earlier on my site and we got a troll
1CAVERAT> took him all of 20 seconds to crash the troll's computer
DORCASQ> hmmm - good!
1CAVERAT> He will be one of the 3 caverats here during the test phase
1CAVERAT> it sounds like just the thing. I saw it work. Quick and dirty
1CAVERAT> Like I said, this guy is a genius when it comes to software. He
taught some of the best out there
DORCASQ> I could use a genius to see what is wrong with my computer.
DORCASQ> It keeps locking up every so often and all I can do is shut it down.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi kolta, welcome.
KOLTA:Kolta> Hi, the board says there are no live chats going on.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I think we have a problem. As Marge reported, the entrance to
our little room says no chats are active.
1CAVERAT> it was that way when I came too
KOLTA:Kolta> I had a hard time even getting to delphi today
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1CAVERAT> I have to go now, back to work!
DORCASQ> Thanks, Cave
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello, bauble48, welcome.
1CAVERAT> catch you all tomorrow
BAUBLE48> hello all
ROYCE3:Royce3> ok ,cave.
KOLTA:Kolta> Bye Caverat
ROYCE3:Royce3> Come back tonight if you can
1CAVERAT> bye try to
1CAVERAT> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, it looks as though the system is going to get the better
of us tonight.
KOLTA:Kolta> What are we talking about today?
DORCASQ> You are right, Royce.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Initially, we were going to discuss the chakras.
KOLTA:Kolta> Yes????????
ROYCE3:Royce3> But I would like to talk about the Great Chain. Unfortunately,
with so few people, it is hard to justify using the material I prepared with
the help of Dorcasq
ROYCE3:Royce3> I think we should start to try to educate a few of the people
who just come here without ever reading the materials that we give them.
ROYCE3:Royce3> If we can get everyone on the same page, so to speak, we will
be improving the situation.
DORCASQ> That is a good idea, Royce.
KOLTA:Kolta> Yes it is Royce
DORCASQ> Of course, there will always be new, uneducated people coming on.
BAUBLE48> Are you talking about me?
ROYCE3:Royce3> If the shoe fits, wear it.
DORCASQ> Me too!
KOLTA:Kolta> Be nice Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> Aaahhhhhhhh, I"m all sweet and cuddly.
DORCASQ> Yes....a big teddy bear.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Dorcasq, go ahead and paste the introductory material.
However, we will probably use it again next week.
DORCASQ> Major Levels in the Great Chain of Being
DORCASQ> 1. Physical Gross Matter
DORCASQ> Includes molecules, fundamental elements, subatomic constituents,
photons and the four forces.
DORCASQ> 2. Bioetheric
DORCASQ> This is the biological level of the Great Chain and it includes all
of biology but also the fifth force. The fifth force is chi or prana. The
etheric body is sometimes called the look-alike double.
DORCASQ> 3. Astral-Emotional
DORCASQ> We experience feelings in both an embodied and disembodied state.
This is described in Sanskrit as Kamaloka, (the place of desires).
DORCASQ> 4. Mental
DORCASQ> 5. Causal
DORCASQ> 6. Celestial Realms
DORCASQ> 7. Ultimate Ground
ROYCE3:Royce3> Good job, Dorcasq.
DORCASQ> My numbering is out of line.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Now, I didn't figure that we would get past the bioetheric
ROYCE3:Royce3> I think this kind of mapping will help everyone explain where
they are coming from, so to speak.
KOLTA:Kolta> What are the 4 forces?
BAUBLE48> weak, strong, electromagnetic & gravity
DORCASQ> Very good, Bauble!
ROYCE3:Royce3> An educated person.
KOLTA:Kolta> Thanks Bauble. nothing uneducated about you!
BAUBLE48> Why is that correct?
DORCASQ> I don't know.
ROYCE3:Royce3> It's a fast track here at UFOtalk-time.
DORCASQ> I thought Royce was going to tell us.
DORCASQ> What are they, Royce???
ROYCE3:Royce3> She has them right, Dorcasq.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Do you want me to hand feed you?
BAUBLE48> I've read that the heartbeat of the earth has decreased by about
1/2 in the last 4000 years of so
KOLTA:Kolta> Then, Royce, take back the comment if the shoe fits......
BAUBLE48> Am I correct again????
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, the operative word was "if."
ROYCE3:Royce3> "If" it doesn't fit, there's no problem.
BAUBLE48> But is the magnetism getting stronger or is that the wrong word?
ROYCE3:Royce3> My, my..... folks are testy here, tonight.
DORCASQ> It feels a bit snug on me.
ROYCE3:Royce3> A private party here, tonight.
KOLTA:Kolta> Peanuts anyone?
DORCASQ> That is a good word, Bauble.
BAUBLE48> I read Zero Point by Gregg Braden Has anyone else read that?
DORCASQ> I read it a while ago.
BAUBLE48> Me too
KOLTA:Kolta> I saw the video on it a long time ago
BAUBLE48> What's getting stronger?
DORCASQ> I have it - I should read it again.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I should remind you all that there are disagreements about the
various subdivisions of the chain. Some of the important writers on this
matter include Huston Smith, Ken Wilber, and Alice Baily, to
ROYCE3:Royce3> name just a few.
BAUBLE48> The video was great I liked the fractals
BAUBLE48> Whats their problem. Would you expand on that Please?
KOLTA:Kolta> Whose problem?
KOLTA:Kolta> ?????????
DORCASQ> The disagreements.
BAUBLE48> I've tried reading all 3 of them. Are they that deep or am I that
BAUBLE48> Kolta The 3 People that were mentioned
KOLTA:Kolta> Thanks. It is very rare that any 2 people are going to agree
ROYCE3:Royce3> I just mean there are important differences among mystical
traditions. However all agree that there are dimensions which transcend
limitations of space and time, overcome ego barriers, and connect
ROYCE3:Royce3> with our consensus reality.
KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> One down.
DORCASQ> She will be back.
ROYCE3:Royce3> This technical situation is a real shame.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I think we might as well quit at 7:00 PM tonight. There' s
little sense in wasting such a good topic with just three people.
BAUBLE48> Thanks a lot!!!!!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Of course, I'm hoping that things will be better by tomorrow.
DORCASQ> You are probably right, Royce.
ROYCE3:Royce3> It looks to me as though all of the rooms are short on people.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Probably, the trouble is network wide.
BAUBLE48> Maybe I should change my name to Wasted"
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hmmmm, it has possibilities.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Welcome back, Kolta.
DORCASQ> Awwww, Bauble, don't be can come back tomorrow, can't
KOLTA:Kolta> The board still says no live chats
BAUBLE48> If someone (anyone) begs me...
DORCASQ> It always says that.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Kolta, considering the technical troubles, we think we should
close off at 7:00 tonight.
ROYCE3:Royce3> It doesn't always say that, Dorcasq
KOLTA:Kolta> Right
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DORCASQ> Yes it does, Royce.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Santucci
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> Hello everyone
ROYCE3:Royce3> How did you manage to find us tonight?
KOLTA:Kolta> Play by ear tonight Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes
ROYCE3:Royce3> Were we listed on the board Santucci?
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> It was easy, I came in thru the chat button.
BAUBLE48> What does your name mean Sans Without a tuche
DORCASQ> Maybe it isn't Delphi - maybe it's just nobody wants to chat tonight.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Did it say there was an active chat?
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> It said there were no discussions in this forum
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yeah, that's what we have been seeing, too, Star.
KOLTA:Kolta> With no live chats on the board, no one will come unless they
know our schedule
DORCASQ> MINE always says that.
BAUBLE48> Not on my board you weren't haveing a chat
ROYCE3:Royce3> Very true, Kolta.
KOLTA:Kolta> Mine does not
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, for Star, please re-paste the introductory material,
KOLTA:Kolta> All the time
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> Seems Delphi hasn't corrected anything yet.
***Great Chain of Being repasted***
ROYCE3:Royce3> This is the topic we are discussing tonight.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well.....we intended to discuss it tonight.
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> okay, I am just starting to learn about chakras so this
has my interest.
DORCASQ> But we want to wait until there are more people here.
BAUBLE48> They are energy systems also
ROYCE3:Royce3> The first describes the physical world.
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> I discovered chakras thru dream study
BAUBLE48> He's talking about the Great Chain of Being
ROYCE3:Royce3> The charkas fit into the bioetheric category.
BAUBLE48> What do you mean discovered? Felt them Saw them???
ROYCE3:Royce3> It is the Hindu terminology for
ROYCE3:Royce3> the bioetheric concept.
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> I should have said became aware of their existence.
ROYCE3:Royce3> The energy within the bioetheric field is called by a variety
of names. Hindus call it prana, whereas the Chinese Qi Gong cultivators call
it chi.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Chi follows along so-called meridians.
BAUBLE48> Meditating seems to be very important in developing Chi
KOLTA:Kolta> "so called' meridans?
ROYCE3:Royce3> The mapping system of meridians comes into use with
ROYCE3:Royce3> Chi can be controlled though both internal and external Qi
ROYCE3:Royce3> These two systems can be used singularly or in tandem.
BAUBLE48> Have you ever felt it?
BAUBLE48> Any one?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, I now can confidently say that I can feel the chi and, to
a small degree, control it.
ROYCE3:Royce3> This after 10 months of Qi Gong training and practice.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello, Scrye, welcome.
DORCASQ> - signed off -
BAUBLE48> We are having our problems tonight
SCRYE:Scrye> Hi. I just wanted to offer this: the Ufotalk chat page shows no
active chats here, nor does the Start page!
KOLTA:Kolta> I hope D makes it back
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, we know, Scrye.
ROYCE3:Royce3> What a pain.
SCRYE:Scrye> Hi, Bauble48. I guess I don't know you.
BAUBLE48> Have you ever felt chi or seen energy as in Auras?
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are talking about the Great Chain of Being Scrye, along
with the various subdivisions, including the bioetheric field.
ROYCE3:Royce3> The bioetheric field can be easily seen with a little practice.
ROYCE3:Royce3> It is the aura, we have all heard about.
SCRYE:Scrye> I have seen only one aura, really. It was on someone very drunk
and was jet black.
SCRYE:Scrye> I got out of his way.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Oh, yes, I recall your saying that, Scrye.
BAUBLE48> Chi masters can change DNA
ROYCE3:Royce3> Very interesting.
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> really?
KOLTA:Kolta> Sometimes, if there is a lot of positive energy around someone,
I will see white
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, there's now evidence that some Qi Gong masters can,
indeed, alter DNA.
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> that is awesome!
SCRYE:Scrye> Is that like knocking someone back to the Stone Age? LOL
BAUBLE48> Scientific tests have been done for years in China. Starting to
test in the US
ROYCE3:Royce3> The Qi Gong of Yan Xin is now being tested in labs here in the
BAUBLE48> Or the Future!
SCRYE:Scrye> Indeed!
BAUBLE48> Time and space are ONE
ROYCE3:Royce3> Of course, there is a strong body of information in the
Chinese academic literature.
SCRYE:Scrye> Reminds me of the old movie Altered States.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hey, that is a great "flick."
SCRYE:Scrye> That is precisely what happened. In both directions.
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> Yes it is.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Wow, that goes back a bit, Scrye.
SCRYE:Scrye> About 1976 I think.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes.
ROYCE3:Royce3> You were just a kid when that came out.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Of course, I was too young to have seen it in the theaters.
SCRYE:Scrye> John Hurt was magnificent. He did it with a sensory deprivation
tank, and strong medicines from S. America.
SCRYE:Scrye> Me, too! LOL
BAUBLE48> Edger Cayce saw people on an elevator and noticed that none of them
had auras The elevator fell and they died
KOLTA:Kolta> I remember that Story. Cayce did not get on the elevator
SCRYE:Scrye> Very good reference, B.
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> I read that about Casey,
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, bauble, that's a famous tale.
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> Cayce, sorry
KOLTA:Kolta> My fingers do not always cooperate either Star
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, a lot of attention is now being given to the bioetheric
field and it holds great promise for providing alternative healing methods.
ROYCE3:Royce3> The etheric body is sometimes called the look alike double.
ROYCE3:Royce3> The phantom bodies of plants manifest when Kirlian pictures
are shot.
BAUBLE48> But we have to work at it and heal ourselves with the various
KOLTA:Kolta> Very true B
SCRYE:Scrye> Sorry, missed some stuff there.
BAUBLE48> Well unless your good buddy is a Chi master
ROYCE3:Royce3> Clearing the meridian points, or the charkas allows chi/prana
to flow and correct the imbalances that give rise to disease.
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> Kirlian pictures?
SCRYE:Scrye> They can be blocked like arteries, I presume?
BAUBLE48> They are fascinating
ROYCE3:Royce3> No problem, Scrye. Dorcasq had our cut and paste material for
tonight's chat, but she has since been bumped off. She posted the material
KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> This system is a mess tonight.
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> yes they can Scrye
BAUBLE48> The Rife machine can cure many things Thats resonance & vibrations
ROYCE3:Royce3> Our etheric bodies leave the body during sleep. When one is
consciously aware of this, one is then having an obe--out of body experience.
SCRYE:Scrye> Kirlian pictures involve placing the subject, which can even be
inanimate, in a high-voltage field and photographing the changes in the field
emanating from the subject.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, that's right, Scrye. I once had the plans for building a
Kirlian photography setup. It wasn't really very complicated.
BAUBLE48> Proof that we exude etheric energy
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Of course, some wags have suggested that Kirlian photography
simply shows the water content in plants and other beings.
SCRYE:Scrye> An interesting "proof" of auras was the leaf that was torn off
but was still intact in its aura!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Qi Gong masters here in the U.S. are determined to demonstrate
to the Western scientific community that Qi is the 5th force of nature.
SCRYE:Scrye> So where was the water? Ghost water?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, Scrye, but that experiment is conveniently ignored by
BAUBLE48> That's probably why some people feel phantom pain after their leg
is amputated Involves more than sensitive nerves
SCRYE:Scrye> go on, Royce. Sorry.
ROYCE3:Royce3> It's interesting to note that the bioetheric field contains
ROYCE3:Royce3> Often called nature spirits or faries.
KOLTA:Kolta> That is interesting, Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> According to the concept of the Great Chain, there is a wide
vista of life on that plane of existence.
ROYCE3:Royce3> These devas are supposedly very close to all matters
concerning the plant kingdom.
KOLTA:Kolta> Is that including fairies? I think they would be closer to the
ROYCE3:Royce3> Jeff Rense once had an articulate woman on his show who claims
that her efforts with a grape arbor were greatly aided by the help of devas.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Her farm was close to bankruptcy until the devas came to her
aid and told her how to increase her grape yield.
ROYCE3:Royce3> It was quite a tale she told.
SCRYE:Scrye> The people at Findhorn Gardens believe similarly.
ROYCE3:Royce3> You took the words right out of my mouth!! Yes!!!!
BAUBLE48> Maybe these were her subconscious etheric doubles
KOLTA:Kolta> Are fairies closer to the plants or the animals?
ROYCE3:Royce3> I gather they tend to be closer to plants, Kolta.
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> I believe it's plants.
KOLTA:Kolta> Thanks
SCRYE:Scrye> I believe it is another class called elementals, K.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Now, there is yet another group of beings called elementals.
They are most closely involved with the four classical elements: earth, air,
fire, water.
SCRYE:Scrye> We supply most of their forms through imagination.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes.
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> I have to be going guys. Please send me a log though,
this is fascinating.
SCRYE:Scrye> Are they sentient., Royce?
ROYCE3:Royce3> I don't know, Scrye.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I would like to get more information about them.
ROYCE3:Royce3> It should be realized that chi can be stolen from other living
entities, both plants and animals.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Not only humans can cause trouble with this technique
ROYCE3:Royce3> Evidence suggests that the bioetheric field is one of the
first that a sincere adept can learn to manipulate
BAUBLE48> Games people play are not always very pleasant
ROYCE3:Royce3> Very true, Bauble.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Healing carried out via the bioetheric field can,
incidentally, be done non-locally.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, it is about time to close for tonight.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I want to thank you all for coming.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I'm sorry so few were able to make it.
BAUBLE48> A healer in Mass. sent a shock up my aunt's spine to help heal her
This was over the telephone
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hopefully things will improve by tomorrow.
SCRYE:Scrye> Thank you, Royce!
KOLTA:Kolta> Thank you Royce for putting up with all the technical problems
ROYCE3:Royce3> We will be here for an open chat tomorrow at 6
ROYCE3:Royce3> Thanks to all of you.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yuu have have been great.
BAUBLE48> good night all
ROYCE3:Royce3> Good night.
ROYCE3:Royce3> - signed off -