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> (Logging at 11-AUG-1999 18:12)

> ROYCE3:Royce3> I always thought the was British.
> KOLTA:Kolta> I could be wrong, but I do not think so.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> I was told that a long time ago. Not true?
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Oh, well, then I stand corrected.
> KOLTA:Kolta> Maybe I am wrong then.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> I was wrong once before. <grin>
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Anyway, he is a nice sort of fellow and quite bright.
> KOLTA:Kolta> We will find out.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes.
> ISLEANDERS> is pittsburgh a ufo haven for people who like em (UFOs)
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Gee, at this point, I don't even want you to ask.
> KOLTA:Kolta> He is very nice and intelligent
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Isleander, i would not say that. But the UFO/ET Forum has
been a very
> ROYCE3:Royce3> efficient and educational group for UFO buffs.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Researchers.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> One will seldom see a more well run group.
> KOLTA:Kolta> It has people from many different backgrounds
> ISLEANDERS> keeps my interest (ufo Talk)
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, it has been a big help to have a core of people to
help the chats along.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Now, with people like yourself, Isleander, we are
developing Internet regulars.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Although you aren't geographically close, you are certainly
one of us.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> That is the magic of the internet.
> KOLTA:Kolta> Yes it is
> ISLEANDERS> thatz kewl royce
> ROYCE3:Royce3> As time goes by, I hope that more Internet oriented
projects will develop.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> In fact, I'm sure that will be the case.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> In the not too distant future, we will launch a website.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Isleander, are you interested in crop circles?
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Personally, I have had quite an interest in them.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> But I think that a lot of the research is being slowed by
the lack of money.
> ISLEANDERS> yes they are unique but i also think their hoaxed
> KOLTA:Kolta> All of them?
> ISLEANDERS> or most probably are?
> KOLTA:Kolta> Why?
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, I am sure a lot of them are. However, I'm pretty
certain that a lot aren't.
> ** BEKUS just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (4 members now) **
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello Bekus, welcome.
> BEKUS:Efrayim> Hi folks
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Bekus, we are discussing crop circles, since Stuart Dike of
the UK will be joining us this coming Tuesday.
> ISLEANDERS> discovery show where they had a contest making them (crop
> BEKUS:Efrayim> cool
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Dike runs the Crop Circle Connector Site in the UK.
> BEKUS:Efrayim> Yep - I've been there.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> The hoaxers of crop circles have had quite a good time over
the past nine months or so.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> They have been featured in a number of TV specials designed
to debunk the whole matter.
> ISLEANDERS> im keeping a open mind about it thou
> BEKUS:Efrayim> Do you think there are crop circles out there that cannot
be replicated by human effort?
> ROYCE3:Royce3> And there are a lot of "true believers" among the crop
circle folks.
> KOLTA:Kolta> But, there are ways of telling the hoaxes from the real
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, supposedly, a genuine crop circle has stems that are
bent but never broken.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Furthermore, genetic changes supposedly take place in the
stems of genuine crop circles.
> ISLEANDERS> thats the problem with the ufo shows you can tell if the
producer is for or against them (1-Sided)
> BEKUS:Efrayim> How many broken stems are required to disqualify a crop
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Unfortunately, I'm not sure that a lot of so-called experts
haven't been fooled on at least a few occasions.
> ISLEANDERS> experts never are neutral are they?
> ROYCE3:Royce3> I'm not sure Bekus. I wonder how much careful evaluation
takes place.
> BEKUS:Efrayim> Have the crop circles been categorized according to these
genetic changes?
> BEKUS:Efrayim> Humans are never neutral . . . c'est la vie.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> A good question Isleander. No , there are never that many
objective people.
> ISLEANDERS> keeps everything in a "grey" area dont it?
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Bekus, one is led to believe so. But I have not seen any
good scientific reports published, which isn't to say that they don't exist.
> KOLTA:Kolta> That is why we need to make sure they are studied
> ROYCE3:Royce3> We must be sure to ask these questions of Dike on Tuesday.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> I do hope he has some ready answers.
> ISLEANDERS> scientists dont like to be wrong do they?
> BEKUS:Efrayim> We humans don't like to be wrong.
> KOLTA:Kolta> How long has he studied crop circles?
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Isleanders, scientists need to be right in order to get
> ** ALCHEMIRA just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (5 members now) **
> ALCHEMIRA> greets...
> ROYCE3:Royce3> I don't have a date for that Kolta. But I would say for
over five years.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi alchemira, Welcome.
> ALCHEMIRA> thank you royce..
> ISLEANDERS> alche hey
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Alchemira, we finally got you into the address book.
> ALCHEMIRA> Hey Isle...
> ALCHEMIRA> fantastic.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> You should now start to get logs.
> BEKUS:Efrayim> Does he have a degree in hard science?
> ROYCE3:Royce3> We are talking about crop circles.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> I think it is mostly on the job training.
> BEKUS:Efrayim> k
> ALCHEMIRA> oh good.....cant wait to see what y'all have to say.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> That is the case with most of the people doing this sort of
> BEKUS:Efrayim> So, who are the scientists who are verifying/disqualifying
the genetic changes?
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Alien Agenda has some very interesting reports. I suggest
everyone read that book.
> ISLEANDERS> ufology is an on the job training gig isnt it?
> ROYCE3:Royce3> I corresponded with a professor in the East some months
ago. He was mentioned in Alien Agenda.
> KOLTA:Kolta> Ufology does attract some scientists.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Unfortunately, although this guy was credited with doing
hard research, he said that that was a mistake.
> ALCHEMIRA> Well, so much research has been done on it, an update is
> ROYCE3:Royce3> It all started to get rather vague. That is too often the
> ** SCRYE just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (6 members now) **
> SCRYE:Scrye> Hi, All!
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Scrye.
> ISLEANDERS> hey scrye
> BEKUS:Efrayim> Hi Scrye
> KOLTA:Kolta> Hi there
> ROYCE3:Royce3> We are talking about the crop circles, Scrye.
> SCRYE:Scrye> thanks.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Stuart Dike of the UK will be on hand this coming Tuesday.
> ALCHEMIRA> hey scrye...
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> ALCHEMIRA> hey jeff...
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Jeff.
> ISLEANDERS> hey jeff
> JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> hey everyone
> ROYCE3:Royce3> We were just saying that there is a lack of good scientific
papers about crop circles.
> SCRYE:Scrye> Hey, everyone who isn't "all". Don't mean to snub y'all.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> We forgive you.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Anyway, I suggest that you folks submit some questions to
> ROYCE3:Royce3> For Dike.
> BEKUS:Efrayim> We are all the All - it's a Borg mentality . . . lol
> SCRYE:Scrye> Actually, Linda Moulton Howe's piece about their scientific
anomalies is the ONLY scientific thing I've seen. And even it isn't a
> BEKUS:Efrayim> Should we e-mail them to you?
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes,
> ROYCE3:Royce3>
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Now, please, I can't promise that I will use all of them.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Everyone knows how chaotic things can get.
> SCRYE:Scrye> But if you don't get any, you will!
> ALCHEMIRA> No kidding.
> BEKUS:Efrayim> So, when I send 368 - you're only going to use 300 . . . I
can live with that.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, that's true, Scrye.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> You are most generous, Bekus.
> SCRYE:Scrye> Oh, oh, I must be in smart-*ss mode tonight.
> BEKUS:Efrayim> It's just the kind of guy I am.
> ALCHEMIRA> gents...brb.....scrye, behave.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> You are learning from the trolls.
> ISLEANDERS> excuse me a second gotta order pizza dont talk while im gone
> ISLEANDERS> - signed off -
> BEKUS:Efrayim> Ouch -
> SCRYE:Scrye> God, we had a time of it yesterday.
> ALCHEMIRA> - signed off -
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Yeah, scrye, I don't want to have to boot you. <grin>
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, and as we go along, we may start to attract a lot more
> BEKUS:Efrayim> I read what happened with Mulder . . . .
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Mulder, has some severe problems.
> SCRYE:Scrye> Yeah, I wanted to warn everyone.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> He is a sad case, I think.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Such people give chats a very bad reputation.
> SCRYE:Scrye> Well, we did cope.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> As I mentioned earlier, it is most difficult to keep such
people out all of the time.
> BEKUS:Efrayim> In general, chats are prone to such things, I
think...present company excluded, of course.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes I think we did a good job, Scrye.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, you are right, Bekus.
> JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> Last night Jeff Rense called this paranoid week.
> KOLTA:Kolta> Why?
> SCRYE:Scrye> Would anyone like to hear the little case reported after
hours by Knows The Sky last night?
> BEKUS:Efrayim> Blame it on the eclipse.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, Scrye.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Jeff, type in your response about Rense, too.
> SCRYE:Scrye> Actually two little cases. The first was on a trip to the
mountains with Dreaming Tree...
> ** ISLEANDERS just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (6 members now) **
> ISLEANDERS> back u can talk again(haha)
> SCRYE:Scrye> Knows The Sky (kts) was going on and on about how she'd like
to be in a close encounter....
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Dramatic pause!!!!!!!!!!
> ROYCE3:Royce3> - signed off -
> ROYCE3:Royce3> ** The moderator has left the group **
> /JOIN Ufotalk-Time
> ** ROYCE3:Royce3 just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (6 members now) **
> BEKUS:Efrayim> Gee, Scrye did you boot the moderator??
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Wow.
> SCRYE:Scrye> and finally...
> SCRYE:Scrye> Just kidding!!!
> SCRYE:Scrye> But Dreaming tree was freaking out and saying No, you're sure
you want that????
> SCRYE:Scrye> kts said I bet if we pray and concenterate a UFO would
> SCRYE:Scrye> Dreaming Tree (dt) said that might be dangerous, only do it
if you're absolutely sure....
> JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> day of destiny takes place on Friday - August 13,
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> SCRYE:Scrye> as in (like when he's not around)....
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi John
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Welcome, please have a seat.
> SCRYE:Scrye> But kts persisted and it became dark as evening drew in on
the mountain road....
> JOHNN5> okay
> SCRYE:Scrye> The road became quite winding and dark. Suddenly.....
> JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> the madness has begun Salt Lake city just had a
tornedo in the center of the city from nowhere!
> SCRYE:Scrye> Suddenly a DOG appeared, running madly across the road in
front of them!
> JOHNN5> so whats happening in here?
> BEKUS:Efrayim> Scrye is telling us a story of a UFO appearance
> JOHNN5> cool
> ROYCE3:Royce3> So go ahead, scrye.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> I do wonder if anyone has some photographs of this
particular action.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Scrye, are you there?
> JOHNN5> I don't trust the government, they like to cover stuff up
> SCRYE:Scrye> - signed off -
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Lord, maybe he wasn't supposed to tell the story!!!!!!! He
does seem to have vaporized.
> BEKUS:Efrayim> It's a sign from above.
> BEKUS:Efrayim> They took him . . .
> ROYCE3:Royce3> That is the frustrating part about this Delphi system.
> JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> Paranoid week magic!!!!!
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, ahhhhh, well, the will of the Lord.
> KOLTA:Kolta> He was abducted
> BEKUS:Efrayim> No the MIB took him.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> I hope it isn't all too painful.
> JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> The demons captured him
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> BEKUS:Efrayim> .
> KOLTA:Kolta> He is back!
> JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> Where you abducted?
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Scyre, go on with your story.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> We have been waiting.
> BEKUS:Efrayim> . . . a DOG ran across the street . . . .
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, Scrye, the dog, remember the dog.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Quesiton is, is it really Scrye?????????
> BEKUS:Efrayim> Body snatchers . . . of course.
> KOLTA:Kolta> Is he lost again?
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Scrye, talk to me lad!!!!!!!!
> BEKUS:Efrayim> Maybe it's like it was in Matrix - he doesn't have a mouth
. . . or fingers, in this case.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, we might as well move on.
> JOHNN5> help!!! I'm getting abducted
> ROYCE3:Royce3> I think Scrye, is having trouble.
> KOLTA:Kolta> Maybe he was not meant to tell the story.
> JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> they took his organs
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, I can believe it John.
> JOHNN5> - signed off -
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Anyway, I want to mention that we have an assignment:
> BEKUS:Efrayim> What is the homework?
> ROYCE3:Royce3> We are to watch Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> We talked yesterday about the way the media.....
> BEKUS:Efrayim> Cool. What are we to look for?
> ROYCE3:Royce3> and the government work hand in hand.
> SCRYE:Scrye> Sorry, a very bad one there, like a tornado!
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, Scrye.
> BEKUS:Efrayim> Yeah, here, we've had some flash floods today.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> We are trying to look for the ways in which the Close
Encounters flick may have been....
> JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> you haven't seen anything yet
> ROYCE3:Royce3> made in order to get specific messages out to the public.
> KOLTA:Kolta> Does Scrye want to continue his story?
> BEKUS:Efrayim> Ah, sort of prepping us for whatever the establishment
wants, eh?!
> ROYCE3:Royce3> How closely does the film come to all of the reports
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Greys that we have been hearing.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> We were told......
> ROYCE3:Royce3> to try to get the Director's Cut, if possible.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> The ending to that version is different from what most
> ROYCE3:Royce3> people saw.
> BEKUS:Efrayim> Director's cut - really?
> SCRYE:Scrye> OK, but my suspenseful story only had two more sentences! I
second the Director's Cut. It's beautiful.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> We will talk about it on Wednesday. Yes, it is true.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Go ahead, Scrye.
> BEKUS:Efrayim> .
> JOHNN5> Is this a movie club or somethin?
> SCRYE:Scrye> keep talking; I'll type it all up.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Oh, all right.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Now, I don't know how hard it will be to get.....
> ROYCE3:Royce3> the director's cut.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> But if at least a few of us can get that.....
> KOLTA:Kolta> I have it.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> particular version, we can compare the two.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> You have the director's cut?????
> KOLTA:Kolta> Yes. It is expanded.
> JOHNN5> Well I like Terminator the best
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Damn!!!!! You have all the cool stuff.
> KOLTA:Kolta> Thank you
> ROYCE3:Royce3> I never saw the Terminator.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> But I did see Predator.
> SCRYE:Scrye> THe car slowed down drastically and swerved to miss the dog,
which had appeared like a phantom. Later the man and woman were discussing
their close call, when Knows The Sky mentioned the grey dog,
> SCRYE:Scrye> and Dreaming Tree protested, "No, it was a YELLOW dog!"
> JOHNN5> Terminator is the best
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Let's give Scrye our attention for the moment.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Hit it Scrye.
> SCRYE:Scrye> THat was it!
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Oh...................gee.
> SCRYE:Scrye> It was an obvious case of a screened memory!
> BEKUS:Efrayim> Screened memory?
> ROYCE3:Royce3> I think so, Bekus.
> KOLTA:Kolta> What about missing time?
> BEKUS:Efrayim> As in implanted?
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, what about the missing time?
> ROYCE3:Royce3> You have got to get the details, lad.
> KOLTA:Kolta> Could they have exp[erienced missing time and left out
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Don't leave us hanging.
> SCRYE:Scrye> The dog was not two colors! Therefore the mind of the
observer had filled in the color. Each observer had made up a different
color for a dog that wasn't really there.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Hmmmmmmmmm.
> BEKUS:Efrayim> So, they had an implanted memory - but a detail was left
out, is that what you are suggesting?
> SCRYE:Scrye> Many close encounters start with a solitary grey appearing in
the road. With or without proof of missing time.
> SCRYE:Scrye> /////
> JOHNN5> thats like Total Recall
> SCRYE:Scrye> What happens is that a false memory is implanted. Like "you
are really seeing an owl." But the details are left to the contactee.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, it was an entertaining story, Scrye.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Are you convinced of its veracity?
> SCRYE:Scrye> I'll save the other one for a better night. Are you all
convinced I am not an agent?
> BEKUS:Efrayim> Don't you find it somewhat convenient that they prayed for
this/wanted this . . . and it happened?
> ROYCE3:Royce3> No, not at all, Scrye, or whoever you are.
> SCRYE:Scrye> Are you all convinced greys are not government androids?
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Now that is an interesting point, Bekus.
> BEKUS:Efrayim> We humans have a habit of seeing exactly what we
want/expect to see.
> KOLTA:Kolta> I do not think greys are government androids.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Personally, and, I might add, very seriously, I think that
one's consciousness can affect physical reality.
> SCRYE:Scrye> There are also many accounts in the past few years of people
seeing UFOs after "broadcasting" their readiness. Royce is the exception.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, I have my thumb out constantly.
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> ROYCE3:Royce3> Can't get a ride to save my butt.
> ISLEANDERS> im ready should i broadcast?
> BEKUS:Efrayim> Royce - don't worry, me either.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Hey, Satellite, welcome.
> SATELLITE8> i er hrer
> SATELLITE8> gererertings
> KOLTA:Kolta> Royce you just want to be abducted!
> ROYCE3:Royce3> I mean, I will hang my hat on any ship that comes my way.
> SCRYE:Scrye> I will abdicate the hot seat. It's just a chatroom story!
> SCRYE:Scrye> Hey, Sat!
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Greys, Nordics, you name em. They are all right with me.
> SATELLITE8> :) hi
> KOLTA:Kolta> Hi
> SCRYE:Scrye> Her keyboard is about to get an alcohol bath, I think.
> SATELLITE8> :) hi
> SATELLITE8> haha
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> SATELLITE8> its gretting pretty olfd
> ROYCE3:Royce3> But I do think there is evidence that portals sometimes
open. People can project thoughts through these portals and affect reality.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Diesse.
> KOLTA:Kolta> True. We can create with our thoughts.
> SCRYE:Scrye> What a crew. I liked Royce's "close Encounters" movie
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, once again, we want everyone to watch it before...
> ROYCE3:Royce3> next Wednesday.
> SCRYE:Scrye> Which is preferred, Royce?
> SCRYE:Scrye> I mean topics.
> ROYCE3:Royce3> I don't follow, Scrye.
> JOHNN5> movies for 300
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Yeah, they are cheap.
> SCRYE:Scrye> You asked what elements were inside dope on UFOs.
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> ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, that is one of the topics to be discussed. Thank you,
> ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi fu.
> SCRYE:Scrye> I think the Pleaides formation was information.
> _0O_00_FU_0O> hey fools

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