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Aids & Mad Cow Disease

(Logging at 28-NOV-2000 17:58)
ROYCE3:Royce3> How is everyone doing today?
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STEVE6101> hello all
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Steve, welcome.
STEVE6101> ty
ROYCE3:Royce3> Fortunately, the system seems to be working today.
ROYCE3:Royce3> That is a relief.
STEVE6101> yes
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> hi royce I have a fascinating UFO rumor for later.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Dorcasq, welcome.
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> hi Dorcas
DORCASQ> Hi everyone - am I late or what...did you start early??
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, Jeff, why don't you start with your rumor.
ROYCE3:Royce3> You are right on time, Dorcasq.
SEEKINGTHETR> no dorcas...we were waiting for you!!!
DORCASQ> OK thanks, Seek!
SEEKINGTHETR> good to see you
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> when a few more people arrive
ROYCE3:Royce3> All the boys wait for Dorcasq
ROYCE3:Royce3> :-)
DORCASQ> ....and wait and wait on me!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, that is very true, Dorcasq.
SEEKINGTHETR> wait on or wait for?
DORCASQ> (I wish)
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Hello Everyone
ROYCE3:Royce3> So go ahead Jeff: let er rip. Let's have the story.
STEVE6101> hi Bauble
ROYCE3:Royce3> Focus the spot light on Jeff Love.
ROYCE3:Royce3> This is Jeff's Inside Edition!
STEVE6101> speech speech
BAUBLE49:Bauble> I want to say HI to Steve Hi Steve!
DORCASQ> I'm focused
ROYCE3:Royce3> Don't let fear or the lack of good sense hold you back Jeff.
SEEKINGTHETR> on the edge of my chair
DORCASQ> Or your keyboard, Jeff.
STEVE6101> hi again ;hope you are doing graaet today
BAUBLE49:Bauble> funny royce!!
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Thanks Steve. I am.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Watch the "Christmas tree" as they say in drag racing.
SEEKINGTHETR> jeff's rumor is that aliens were voting in
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> maybe a ufo took jeff before he could divulge the
rumor! lol
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> Rumor!!!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, Seek, i understand they all voted more than once.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Jeff, you said you had a story for us.
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> It involves George W. Bush
SEEKINGTHETR> they were the write ins for Nanook
STEVE6101> go ahead
ROYCE3:Royce3> AAAAhhhhh, boy, all right..... go ahead.
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SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> hi kolta
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Very good Seek
KOLTA:Kolta> Hi everyone!
STEVE6101> HI ,K
ROYCE3:Royce3> Put the pedal to the metal, Jeff. Hi Kolta, welcome. Jeff is
giving us a short report.
SEEKINGTHETR> I thought his ears resembled Dr Spock's
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> lol
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Yes, Jeff, he's been declared the winner in Fla.
KOLTA:Kolta> Whose ears?
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> the logic was lacking however
DORCASQ> We are trying to squeeze it out of him, K.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Fire for effect, Jeff.
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> The source of the rumor is Charles Huffer of
Springsdale, Arkansas. Huffer is a former Army Security Officer and 61 years
KOLTA:Kolta> I thought we were not supposed to talk about politics
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hey, Kolta, this was supposed to be about UFOs or so I thought.
DORCASQ> We always do what we aren't supposed to do, know that.
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> He claims the event was personally told to Huffer by
SEEKINGTHETR> jeff must also be a suspense writer
ROYCE3:Royce3> But Jeff has "rounds out of the tube" so let's see where they
KOLTA:Kolta> But, I was cut off for trying to put the situation in Florida on
the prayer list.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Keep it coming Jeff, I can't quite keep up with you.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Was he one of Billy Clinton's 'Bodygaurds' in Arkansas also,
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> He has recorded the future event on tale
ROYCE3:Royce3> Whose tail?
KOLTA:Kolta> Why is Jeff allowed to talk about politics and not me?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Sorry, go ahead, Jeff.
DORCASQ> nuff background, Jeff, give us the scoop!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Kolta, you can talk about politics my guest.
DORCASQ> But leave no marks.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Jeff, it will soon be bedtime.
KOLTA:Kolta> I wasn't in one of the chats, Royce, you cut me off.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Suspense writer-that's good Seek
ROYCE3:Royce3> I never would cut you off intentionally, Kolta.
STEVE6101> come on Jeff
KOLTA:Kolta> Well, you did
ROYCE3:Royce3> Page two Jeff--the rest of the story.
ROYCE3:Royce3> My humble apologies, Kolta.
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KOLTA:Kolta> ok
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> Rumor: If George W. Bush is President, he will assign
Vice President Cheney the task to investigate ETs and UFOs.
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> you can do it Jeff, I have faith in you
ROYCE3:Royce3> hello Cave, welcome
1CAVERAT> Hi all
SEEKINGTHETR> do we have to pay $$$ to hear the rest of the story?
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Hi Cave
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> I found it On UFO Folklore
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> what if Chaney is appointed to the task?
STEVE6101> hi rat
ROYCE3:Royce3> Aaaahhhh, Cheney will have a heart attack before he even gets
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Another political fabrication, Jeff
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> lol
DORCASQ> Funny, Royce
BAUBLE49:Bauble> He already did, Royce
STEVE6101> there a plague of them,heh Bauble
ROYCE3:Royce3> Would anyone like to put someone on the prayer list? No, not
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> They received an article from Internet Trash News.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I love your sources, Jeff.
SEEKINGTHETR> I think that their will be extra terrestrial contact within the
next few years
ROYCE3:Royce3> Really , Seek?
DORCASQ> Well, we did hear of this a long time ago, Jeff.
1CAVERAT> Have we been GOREd or BUSHwhacked??
BAUBLE49:Bauble> What about Bush or Gore and the double digit zero years????
ROYCE3:Royce3> What do you base that upon, Seek?
KOLTA:Kolta> The situation in Florida needs on the prayer list. I do not
know how you would phrase that.
SEEKINGTHETR> It's about time for it
ROYCE3:Royce3> I like that, Cave.
STEVE6101> no but thankyou for your prayers for amy at the beginning of the
month ,thank you
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> What is the topic today Royce?
DORCASQ> Good Cave!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Aids, Mad Cow and government spraying.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Modern plagues.
ROYCE3:Royce3> The reasons, causes, and effects.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> You do Seek?
DORCASQ> Popular diseases
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> That is the topic???
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Prayer list Kay Freddie the cat
DORCASQ> Cell phoneitus
ROYCE3:Royce3> There are a lot of specifics that need to be discussed.
SEEKINGTHETR> any one here read the Hot Zone by Richard Preston?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Was the AIDs virus manufactured?
BAUBLE49:Bauble> No
BAUBLE49:Bauble> No Seek
ROYCE3:Royce3> That is the first question.
DORCASQ> No, didn't read that.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Was the AIDs virus manufactured?
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> I believe it was Royce
KOLTA:Kolta> Michael Wolf said the virus was manufactured.
SEEKINGTHETR> it is a true story of an ebola outbreak in Reston Virginia
ROYCE3:Royce3> Ok, soaring.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> I don't have an opinion on that Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> Who and why, Eagle?
1CAVERAT> mutation of a similar virus. natural mutation
ROYCE3:Royce3> 1. If you think it was, for what purpose was it manufactured?
ROYCE3:Royce3> 2. Who might have manufactured it?
1CAVERAT> it continues to mutate now
ROYCE3:Royce3> Very true Cave.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Consider the effect on the Third World.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Although here in the U.S., we have some new drugs that are, at
least temporarily, holding the disease at bay, one sees the entire
subcontinent of Africa being ravaged. By 2005 we may see one South
ROYCE3:Royce3> African dying of an AIDs-related illness every minute. One in
every five adults is already infected with the disease.
KOLTA:Kolta> The government, to get rid of certain groups of people.
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> I do not pretend to know the exact reason. Nor who
is ultimately responsible. But it was not an accident of nature that 'jumped'
the human animal barrier
ROYCE3:Royce3> Are you talking about genocide, Kolta?
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> I can present a hypothesis. These measures are
population control policies.
STEVE6101> one question why when one group of people interact with another
they bring a tragic diesease,is it just natural or due tosome unseen design
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> People do not want to voluntary die early.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Some suggest that the disease came from a U.S. military lab.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Others suggest the Russians may have done it.
KOLTA:Kolta> Not genocide exactly. But, consider who was originally effected
by the virus in this country. Those are the people others want to be rid of.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Created the virus that is.
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> That I believe Royce
STEVE6101> remember "Logans Run" jeff
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> us military lab that is
BAUBLE49:Bauble> You have a point Kolta
SEEKINGTHETR> there is a new book that I just ordered called "Plague Time" by
Paul Ewald...based on a book review and article in the US news and world
report story this week
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, Steve, as I remember, Logan's run was about doing away
with old people. AIDs, of course, strikes the young most frequently.
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> One sinister purpose may be to rid the world of
STEVE6101> pharmacy earnings must have been down
ROYCE3:Royce3> Tell us more about the book, Seek.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Blacks and Gays--except gays don't add to overpopulation
SEEKINGTHETR> It goes into the scientific reasons that we are ready for a big
ROYCE3:Royce3> The Africans have been hardest hit. Who has a grudge against
BAUBLE49:Bauble> funny Steve
KOLTA:Kolta> But, to some, gays are "evil."
SEEKINGTHETR> just ordered it today...did not read it yet
DORCASQ> Yes, that is a good point, Steve!
SEEKINGTHETR> You must read Hot available in paper back
1CAVERAT> I see strong parallels to Biblical plagues. It is spread by
actions condemned in Biblical teachings. It can and will be brought under
control if those teachings are carried out. God does promise
1CAVERAT> to judge the wicked, Is this His judgement? Just a thought...
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> I think that the choice of the 'guinnea pig' was
who would be missed the least..or so they thought
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, Cave, do you agree with that notion?
SEEKINGTHETR> we judge ourselves
KOLTA:Kolta> That is true Seeking
STEVE6101> it seems to effect people in africa more because of health
standards and education ,I think
1CAVERAT> I'm still open to opinions on both sides, Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> 3. Do you see evidence that AIDs will become an even greater
threat in the U.S.
ROYCE3:Royce3> 4. Does the United States have the responsibility to help
other countries, those in the so-called Third World?
SEEKINGTHETR> and also sexual promiscuity
BAUBLE49:Bauble> YES and YES
ROYCE3:Royce3> How about the rest of you?
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> no and yes
DORCASQ> Maybe and yes
STEVE6101> yes especially if it so called "mutates"
ROYCE3:Royce3> I think we can be sure that it is mutating, Steve.
SEEKINGTHETR> The ebola virus mutated to an airborn virus in Virginia
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> Cancer was once called 'incurable' amny have proved
that theory wrong.
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> Can we feed a hugh population that incrases by 50%
every 50 years.
STEVE6101> when does it become airborne
ROYCE3:Royce3> Interesting, Seek.
KOLTA:Kolta> What about the babies who get AIDS? What harm have they done?
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Is that a true story Seek and what year was it?
ROYCE3:Royce3> So should the U.S. companies pay Africa's drug bills?
SEEKINGTHETR> but it also mutated down its effect on humans...just killed all
the apes
ROYCE3:Royce3> More to the point should we, the people, pay the bill?
SEEKINGTHETR> yes it is very true
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Good question Kolta
STEVE6101> bad karma from another life ,maybe Kolta
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> There are many alternative methods which have
worked as well. But they do not get air time.
KOLTA:Kolta> That is a good point, Steve.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Talk about the alternatives, Eagle.
1CAVERAT> 4. How can we help the rest if we can't help ourselves. Kolta,
none. But the Bible does state that judgement will fall even to the third
and fourth generation of those who do not repent.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Are there cheap, effective alternative treatments, Eagle?
1CAVERAT> Bible says it, I didn't
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> Without a horrible war how can hugh population be
eliminated quickly?
SEEKINGTHETR> A Dr. friend of mine is heading to Lima Peru for 3 months to
study and treat tropical diseases...lot's of new stuff coming up
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> I know of a sioux Shaman personally who has seen
complete remission and absence of the disease. He has stated that it is
happening in small pockets...but the government cannot make money by having
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> people well.
STEVE6101> money or humans lives the very question may be the root of the
ROYCE3:Royce3> So we have the possibility of divine intervention insofar as
aids is concerned?
KOLTA:Kolta> Cave, I do not think we are responsible for the karma of those
who went before us. We are just responsible for our own karma.
1CAVERAT> God said it, I didn't
SEEKINGTHETR> we are responsible to help others resolve their karma
DORCASQ> Are we, Seek?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Eagle, are you convinced that we are withholding cheap
treatments for aids?
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> which is more important money or your life?
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> Karma is not there to is there to teach
1CAVERAT> Define "karma" as you use the term
SEEKINGTHETR> your soul!!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> I'm thinking Jeff, I'm thinking!!!!!!!!!!
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> I am absolutely convinced!
SEEKINGTHETR> karma would be best described as past sins
ROYCE3:Royce3> Who actually controls these treatments, Eagle?
BAUBLE49:Bauble> It would probably take most of our lifetime to work on our
own Karma let alone help others with theirs
KOLTA:Kolta> Cave, the Bible was written by human beings under the
inspiration of God. Humans do make mistakes and operate from their own
ROYCE3:Royce3> Interesting point, Bauble
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ROYCE3:Royce3> hello Scrye, welcome.
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> I think that the government is withholding cheaper
modes of transportation, aids cures , cancer cures and who knows what else
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are talking about Aids and whether or not it was
DORCASQ> I agree, Eagle
SEEKINGTHETR> not true divine grace is also here to help us get
rid of karma
1CAVERAT> True Kolta. Thats why it says All have sinned.
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> Our country is not based on prosperity due to health
SCRYE:Scrye> Hi Royce, room!
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are also talking about the possibility that there is a
cheap cure for Aids, one that is being suppressed.
STEVE6101> hi ,scrye
KOLTA:Kolta> You do have a point Cave.
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> hi scyre?
SCRYE:Scrye> Hi, Jeff. Royce, is there evidence for either?
STEVE6101> it can't cost much to produce they always say it is the research
ROYCE3:Royce3> Some people still dispute the notion that so-called aids is
caused by HIV infection.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> We must definitely read different literature, Cave
ROYCE3:Royce3> Eagle maintains that there are cheap, effective treatments.
KOLTA:Kolta> There is so much prejudice against those who have AIDs.
SCRYE:Scrye> Either it is the cause or it is a required precursor of AIDS.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Many feel that the virus has been manufactured but that no one
really wants to research the way the disease got started.
SEEKINGTHETR> I think that it is a natural mutation
SCRYE:Scrye> I think it may be like Ebola in that the closer you look, the
murkier are the origins.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Does you doctor friend work for a drug company, Seek?
KOLTA:Kolta> True Scrye
ROYCE3:Royce3> It's been suggested that the U.S. foot the drug bills for the
third world. Do we agree?
ROYCE3:Royce3> 5. Do the wealthy Europeans have an obligation to help with
aid to these Third World countries?
1CAVERAT> It has been traced back to the 1920s and possibly earlier. Did we
have the technology to manufacture a virus that far back?
SEEKINGTHETR> no...Research and teaching
SCRYE:Scrye> Yes. It is a slow pandemic.
DORCASQ> The U.S. doesn't foot the drug bills for us.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> I didn't know that Cave
SEEKINGTHETR> they also have wierd bloodstream parasites that they cure with
chemo thereapy
ROYCE3:Royce3> Cave, I am familiar with that research. I lend credence to it.
But some say that the evidence has been distorted.
SCRYE:Scrye> Don't forget, as we got smarter, so probably did this virus.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Good point, Scrye.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> All countries that can must help foot the bill. For our own
protection we have to help irradicate this
1CAVERAT> No. The wealthy do not have an obligation to do anything. Morally
however one would hope they would
DORCASQ> True, Baub
SCRYE:Scrye> Correct, Bauble.
ROYCE3:Royce3> And even if the virus originated naturally, someone may have
made it more deadly with genetic manipulation.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> True Cave
SCRYE:Scrye> It is self defense, Cave.
SEEKINGTHETR> what about all the anthrax and other weapons held by the world
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, there are other diseases that can be used for
bioterrorism, Seek.
ROYCE3:Royce3> But some of them aren't subtle enough to suit everyone.
ROYCE3:Royce3> lol
SCRYE:Scrye> Now, Royce, there may be something to that. No one would admit
such a blunder, if blunder it waas.
SEEKINGTHETR> what if an animal undergoing genetic engineering has a virus at
that time
ROYCE3:Royce3> How serious a threat do you think Mad Cow Disease is?
SCRYE:Scrye> Go on , Seeking.
ROYCE3:Royce3> That is a new one to add to the various scenarios.
SEEKINGTHETR> I don't have answers...only questions
1CAVERAT> More of a threat than aids.
STEVE6101> but why erradicate small pos and create aids,except for the fact
that it would be harder to maintain and many more people are effected before
the host even knowa
STEVE6101> pox
KOLTA:Kolta> Like the rest of us Seeking
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Real Serious, Royce. I want my Mickey D's
SCRYE:Scrye> Well, the virus it happened to have got modified by accident,
ROYCE3:Royce3> Here are some facts:
ROYCE3:Royce3> There are reports that versions of Mad Cow disease correctly
know as bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), a disease linked to the fatal
brainwasting ailment in humans, Creutzfeldt-Jakob
ROYCE3:Royce3> disease has spread to deer in the U.S. In fact there are
reports that a full 15% of free-ranging deer and elk in northeastern Colorado
and southeastern Wyoming are infected with a prion disease
ROYCE3:Royce3> similar to scrapie and mad cow. Both diseases are caused by
tiny mutated brain proteins called prions that are normally present in the
brain and other tissues.
SEEKINGTHETR> if we grow disease will harm us
1CAVERAT> Aids can be stopped by modifing our behavior. Mad cow disease,
cancer and other such cannot.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Unfortunately, a lot of folks have a lot of spiritual growing
to do before they reach that point, Seek.
SCRYE:Scrye> In unmutated form, Royce, they are normal.
STEVE6101> someone will come up with a spiritual disease,seek
SEEKINGTHETR> this is how the mind helps healing
DORCASQ> hahha Steve
SEEKINGTHETR> they have steve...many many
ROYCE3:Royce3> More facts:
ROYCE3:Royce3> The illness develops when the proteins fold in an abnormal
way. They multiply, clump up and cause the brain to become spongy and wither.
Sufferers become confused, lose their coordination and slowly
ROYCE3:Royce3> deteriorate and die.
KOLTA:Kolta> Actually, all disease is a reflection of where we are spiritually
1CAVERAT> They already have. its called sin.
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SCRYE:Scrye> When the very tissue of the brain is attacked, ALL progress
regretably stops.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Byron, welcome.
BYRON298:rick> ty
SCRYE:Scrye> Including spiritual progress.
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> gotta go
ROYCE3:Royce3> Byron, we are talking about Mad Cow disease and AIDs.
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> see you later
BAUBLE49:Bauble> bye Eagle
SCRYE:Scrye> See you.
SOARINGONE:Soaring Eagle> - signed off -
BYRON298:rick> sounds apitizing
ROYCE3:Royce3> How many of you are meat eaters?
BAUBLE49:Bauble> me
KOLTA:Kolta> I am
STEVE6101> 1
BYRON298:rick> <-----vegitarian
SCRYE:Scrye> Chicken and fish.
SEEKINGTHETR> very limited...white meat only
SCRYE:Scrye> But we are also talking Jello here, are we not, Royce?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Byron, here are some facts to help you catch up with the
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DORCASQ> I don't eat as much meat as I used to.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Cave, can you talk to us about prions?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Prions cause Mad Cow.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> I understand that they are really tough little buggers to
BYRON298:rick> - signed off -
1CAVERAT> have not done much study into the subject
ROYCE3:Royce3> Very true bauble.
SCRYE:Scrye> Because they are not alive, properly speaking, Bauble.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, normal sterilization techniques don't work.
ROYCE3:Royce3> True, Scrye.
KOLTA:Kolta> Rainbow says that we should be grateful for doom and gloom
because they provide opportunities for us to learn. You could say that about
KOLTA:Kolta> Rainbow Eagle
SCRYE:Scrye> A prion is more nimical and insidious than a neutron in the
body, because they multiply.
SCRYE:Scrye> inimical
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, prions aren't viruses or bacteria.
SCRYE:Scrye> No, they do not respond to antibiotics.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Tuff learning anything when your sick though, Kolta
DORCASQ> Right Baub
SCRYE:Scrye> They are too much like our good proteins for the body to reject
ROYCE3:Royce3> Maybe these diseases are intended to cull the herd, so to
STEVE6101> are they really a form of cancer,or act like it ,prions
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Yes, it is scary, Scrye
1CAVERAT> As I understand it they are about one step up the chain from a
virus in that they can multply without requireing a host cell
DORCASQ> I'd like to be able to choose what I want to learn.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> No, I don't think comparing them to cancer would be correct,
KOLTA:Kolta> We can start learning now even when we are not sick. I know it
is tough wehn you sick, but spirituality is never easy.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> hello all
SCRYE:Scrye> The may be baked in a test tube until it turns black and still
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Alchemira, welcome.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Hi Royce!
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BAUBLE49:Bauble> Instead of having all these 'lessons' foisted on us Dorcas
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are in the midst of a discussion concerning AIDs and Mad
Cow disease.
SCRYE:Scrye> Steve, have you rad Kurt Vonnegut?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Sat ,welcome.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> hi
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Hi Alc and Sat
SCRYE:Scrye> Familiar with Ice 9, anyone?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Great, thanks.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> oh goodie
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Heya Bauble
KOLTA:Kolta> Bauble, we foist our lessons upon ourselves.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> No
ROYCE3:Royce3> What is Ice 9?
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> maybe that is what i have mad cow disease
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Ice 9?
STEVE6101> I think some
DORCASQ> Ice cubed
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lol sat...naaah.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> mooo
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> moooQ!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Bring us up to speed, Scrye.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Funny Dorc!!!!!
SCRYE:Scrye> Ice nine was a crystalline form of water that crystallized water
at room temperature.
SCRYE:Scrye> It could infect any body of water like a catalyst and freeze it
ROYCE3:Royce3> Wow, and how did that happen, Scrye?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Manmade?
SCRYE:Scrye> Prions are the Ice 9 of the brain.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Hey, i like that.
SCRYE:Scrye> It is fiction to illustrate my point. From Kurt Vonnegut.
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> hello Baalzephon
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> oh, okay.
KOLTA:Kolta> Hi Baal
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> hello everyone
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Baal, we are in the midst of a discussion concerning AIDs
and Mad Cow disease. Were either of them man made?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Heya Baal
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STEVE6101> be fun at a partyScrye
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello byron , welcome back.
BYRON298:rick> back, put on some classical
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lol steve. Would be interesting, thats for sure.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Baal, since you just got here, here is a run down on mad cow.
***Mad Cow rundown repeated***
KOLTA:Kolta> Hi Byron
SCRYE:Scrye> Once you have the tiniest seed of it, it spreads throughout the
brain. No treatment, no cure, no hope.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Both of them could have been, as well as hanta virus -
which only appeared in north america in the last 15 years or so...
STEVE6101> yeh maybe even a political party,sorry Kolta lol
ROYCE3:Royce3> Good point, Baal.
ROYCE3:Royce3> But Baal, what is your opinion? Do you think they were man
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> I remember first reading about Mad Cow in 1994
ROYCE3:Royce3> If they were man made, who might have done it?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> mentioned that it acted as a brain tissue rust.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, Alchemira, no one was much worried back then.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> I've seen the original test data on AIDS about 12
years ago. Out of 24 test subjects - only 4 subjects had the HIV virus - the
rest of the patients were HIV free. Which makes me wonder why they
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> decided that HIV was the cause.
KOLTA:Kolta> We are takling about diseases Byron
BYRON298:rick> the new world order?
ROYCE3:Royce3> We now find that France, Germany and Spain are infected with
the disease.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> It sure got my attention, thats certain.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> interesting Baal
BAUBLE49:Bauble> So what exactly is HIV?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Have there been many cases of humans having it?
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> I have no evidence to suggest that AIDs nor Mad Cow
was fabricated - though they were certainly man-circulated. It is more
likely that hanta virus was man made.
SCRYE:Scrye> Mad cow is more dangerous than AIDS, for reasons Cave gave.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Maybe a connection with the New World Order is part of the
truth, Byron.
BYRON298:rick> diseases, are some much fun destroying all life they manage to
touch or they die trying
DORCASQ> If we all stopped eating, drinking and having sex we would all be
physically healthy.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> yikes!
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> HIV is a virus present in the bodies of many humans -
some with AIDS, some without. The exact nature of the virus is still unknown
despite medical hype.
SCRYE:Scrye> Don't forget breathing, Dorcas!
DORCASQ> I said physically, not mentally
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> well, would definitely start to control world population
booms Dorcas.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, Dorcasq, you have a formula for changing the world, and
in relatively short order.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> thanks Baal
BYRON298:rick> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> AIDs is certainly impacting the population of Africa.
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ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> and no doubt here in the US as well.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello Luisguandik, welcome.
KOLTA:Kolta> Did anyone greet Rick besides myself?
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are talking about AIDs and Mad Cow disease.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Hi Luis
ROYCE3:Royce3> I greeted him Kolta.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> I missed him Kolta.
KOLTA:Kolta> ok
SEEKINGTHETR> look how small pox helped the whites take over America from the
SCRYE:Scrye> New HIV cases per year here are now in decline, I think.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Ever notice that these viruses never seem to cause
more than localized outbreaks? It is possible that major outbreaks have not
happened because the NWO or whomever merely wants to use these diseases
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> as a distraction from other agendas, rather than as a
means of population control.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I think the infection rate is going up again Scrye. At least
that is what I have read.
ROYCE3:Royce3> You have a point, Baal.
1CAVERAT> true royce.
LUISGUANDIK> can somobody tell me how to get my smart card programer software?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Consider the impact that Mad Cow will have on agriculture.
SCRYE:Scrye> Well, at least we have proven, and in our gay population, that
HIV can be managed in theory.
DORCASQ> I can't Luis
ROYCE3:Royce3> I think you may have landed in the wrong chat for that advice,
SCRYE:Scrye> I don't think we have that info, Luis.
SEEKINGTHETR> or how trichinosis effected eating pork
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Luis, use the Dogpile search engine to look.
STEVE6101> do you think that exposing different viruses to each other that
have never have had contact breeds new viruses,like mixing two volitile
LUISGUANDIK> so where can i go?
1CAVERAT> check back after 7:30, luis.
ROYCE3:Royce3> But cooking meat eliminated the cause of the disease. Such
isn't the case with Mad Cow.
SEEKINGTHETR> but is there something we are missing that is the cure?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> It could cause I virus mutation, at least I think, Steve.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> a virus mutation.
ROYCE3:Royce3> How much is the beef industry worth in the U.S.?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Beats me, I just don't eat it.
SEEKINGTHETR> the burger joints would have to close
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Viruses don't necessarily behave that way - they
reproduce by fission rather than any kind of sexuality. Combining viruses
would have to be done on the genetic level - which means human intervention.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Remember that our wild life now has a form of Mad Cow, at
least about 15% of the deer herd in parts of this country.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Without the cattle we could have more land for our
overpopulation problem....
KOLTA:Kolta> I wonder. The Jews eat meat that is kosher and the process of
making it kosher is suppose to illiminate certain kinds of diseases. It is
suppose to be very healthy.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> great, one thing leads to another.
STEVE6101> thats not beef in those burgers,seek
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Kangaroo?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, kolta, you are right. But I don't think it will do much
against Mad Cow.
ROYCE3:Royce3> You see, it is another example of our being powerless to
maintain the status quo.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Things are changing.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> The process of making meat kosher is to hypnotise the
animal before ritually slaying it. Ritual carnage does not alter the
fundamental chemistry of any animal, nor the diseases they harbour.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Sheep are infected.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> I think we should all just stay home, give everyone
separate rooms and drink broccoli shakes.
SEEKINGTHETR> I think we are suffering the consequences of long term chemical
additives to our food
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> yum alchemira
ROYCE3:Royce3> Alchemira, you could start a new religion!
KOLTA:Kolta> Baal, the animal is also drained of all its blood.
DORCASQ> I would go for a good healthy pill once a day to replace food.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Love that broccoli.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Royce, thats really disturbing.
ROYCE3:Royce3> yes, well, someone has to do it!
SCRYE:Scrye> Was I gone?
BAUBLE49:Bauble> You may be right Seek
STEVE6101> but rabbits and pork is not Kosher
ROYCE3:Royce3> We will worship you, alchemira.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Seeking, I read somewhere that the decomposition rate of
dead people is decreasing because of preservative intake.
DORCASQ> No cooking, no cleaning up the mess, no shopping...sigh
SCRYE:Scrye> Did you see the cannibals bit?
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Any animal which is properly killed is drained of the
blood. Only someone asking for an infection would leave it in to stagnate.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> No kidding, Alc!!??
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> At least the hunters I know drain their kills.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> no kidding. lol
ROYCE3:Royce3> The Mad Cow prions aren't , of course, bacteria or viruses.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> But then again - most of the hunters I know are
natives, and more attuned with the land.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Cooking won't help kill the infection.
SEEKINGTHETR> Scrye...was that cannibal or cannibis?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Surgical instruments exposed to prions must be destroyed.
SCRYE:Scrye> Mad cow was caused by feeding cows to cows, causing something
human cannibals get.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Is there a website dedicated to this subject matter
STEVE6101> cannibis hopefully,seek
BAUBLE49:Bauble> We should all become ballerinas so we could keep up on our
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Don't they also do the same with Chickens Scrye?
ROYCE3:Royce3> I'm not sure of that, Alchemira. Probably.
ROYCE3:Royce3> But the Mad Cow disease is a mainstream topic now.
SEEKINGTHETR> in the USA, we feed the remaining parts of the processed
chickens to the cows in feed
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Yep - same with chickens. Dead chickens become
chicken feed.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> What brought it to the forefront Royce?
ROYCE3:Royce3> That is correct, Seek.
SCRYE:Scrye> Only the women in a certain tribe were getting the disease kuru,
because only the women ate the enemies' brains.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> any particular incident?
ROYCE3:Royce3> How many of you are familiar with how dead animals are
rendered for animal feed?
SCRYE:Scrye> There are now laws in Europe against feeding mammals to
SEEKINGTHETR> Scrye...sounds like a set up for a joke
STEVE6101> and that is why maybe that any amnimal that eats its young or dead
can not be kosher
SCRYE:Scrye> herbivores, sorry.
ROYCE3:Royce3> The entire beef herd of the UK became infected, Alchemira.
SCRYE:Scrye> I wish this topic WERE funny!
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> the Entire herd?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Nobody would buy British beef.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> oh my word.
SEEKINGTHETR> in Europe they can't use gemetically engineered corn or grain
to animals...we still do in USA
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, as I understand it, they killed off nearly the entire
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Isn't there a ban in France now?
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> It IS funny... I've known about this stuff for 12
years and love the irony of it all.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Billions upon billions of dollars worth of beef was destroyed.
SEEKINGTHETR> I have to laugh at life no matter how bad it looks
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Were they burned?
BAUBLE49:Bauble> So has it been with us more than 12 years, Baal?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Now the French have seen beef sales go flat. Sales of French
beef are off by more than 50%
DORCASQ> I agree with you, Seek
SCRYE:Scrye> I supposed they dumped it all in the North Sea, where they keep
their plutonium?
KOLTA:Kolta> That is a good attitude Seeking
ROYCE3:Royce3> The Germans have cases of it in their herds.
STEVE6101> why do they use unnatural feeds ,to cut down on the final product
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Maybe the diseases change and become more exotic, but
the fundamentals of how we poison ourselves haven't.
ROYCE3:Royce3> That is a good point, Baal.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> the protein that causes the Bovine Spongiform can't
decompose that quickly, can it?
DORCASQ> Right, Baal, we cure one disease and just find one to replace it.
ROYCE3:Royce3> As science progresses, so do the diseases.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> true Baal.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Or make one.
SCRYE:Scrye> Feeding cows to cows would have seemed twisted to older cultures.
LUISGUANDIK> - signed off -
DORCASQ> Have to keep the doctors in business.
ROYCE3:Royce3> That is correct, Scrye.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> no kidding dorcas.
SCRYE:Scrye> Maybe this is the Atlantean rechnology curse returning in new
ROYCE3:Royce3> Consider the amount of antibiotics that we feed our cows.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> yes Dorcasq and the medicines
SEEKINGTHETR> maybe smoking killed the virus's, and now that everyone
SCRYE:Scrye> haha!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hey, I think you may be right,
ROYCE3:Royce3> Seek
BAUBLE49:Bauble> funny Seek!
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lol!
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> okay thats it, I need a cigarette!
ROYCE3:Royce3> yes, we all have to start smoking and drinking black coffee.
No filter smokes allowed.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> We ALL do, Alc!
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> NO SMOKING!!!!!
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> puff*puff*puff*
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> just kidding.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> gasp!!!
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> wheeze!
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> sneeze1
KOLTA:Kolta> I want my cigarette!!!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Cough, cough.
1CAVERAT> royce, you may be onto something with the antibiotics comment
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Scrye, what do you mean by atlantean technology?
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> hey. i am really sneezing here.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> am i THAT suggestive?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, know that cattle are loaded with both antibiotics and
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> I think the only curse technology has is those who
reject it for ignornace, such as religious fundamentalists. We have no
tablets on easter island because missionaries destroyed them. How many
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> other discoveries were destroyed by ignorami?
SEEKINGTHETR> mind over matter Sat
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Antibiotics, another issue that will affect our future.
SCRYE:Scrye> Look, we weakened our crops with fertilizers. We weakened our
immune systems with drugs. Maybe we weakened our brains witt television!
1CAVERAT> Same thing is happening to us as the bugs gain immunity to our best
BAUBLE49:Bauble> See it's ALL just in your mind
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lol Sat.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> ha. you need a mind.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> and i don't have one!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Consider the fact that young girls in this country often reach
puberty at age 5! That is right age 5!!!!
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Scrye, thats where ADD came from I think.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> splain that Lucy!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Strange things are happening.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> that is precocious puberty
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> its a rare medical condition
ROYCE3:Royce3> It's totally out of hand, Sat.
SEEKINGTHETR> is a premature consciousness shift
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Yeah, thats from the hormones being fed to our daily
meats Royce.
DORCASQ> The Internet is spreading all kinds of viruses!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> No Sat that is the point: it isn't a rare medical condition.
SCRYE:Scrye> The puberty thing is from hormones in cow's milk I think, Royce.
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> lol
STEVE6101> I think the figure on the age has gotten down to 8 not 5 Royce
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lol!
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> i was 12
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> my girls were 12
ROYCE3:Royce3> I think you may be right, Scrye, although there's no agreement
on that yet.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> dang, I started late.
KOLTA:Kolta> I was 11
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> i thought that was kind of early
SCRYE:Scrye> I was 28.
DORCASQ> I am not there yet
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> oh my.
ROYCE3:Royce3> You were saving it for marriage, Scrye.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> I was vegetarian for most of my youth, I wonder if that
could be part of it.
KOLTA:Kolta> I thought I was early too Sat
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lol scrye!
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> growing up it was meat and milk
SCRYE:Scrye> Twelve is no longer early at all, that's the point.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> both foods that are laden with growth hormones
SEEKINGTHETR> but did they have growth hormones in them Sat?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Meat and milk would make me sick to my stomach Sat.
ROYCE3:Royce3> All right. We have talked about a lot of mainstream stuff. How
does all of this tie in with the subject that is taboo in the mainstream
press: SPRAYING.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> my girls drank some milk but very little meat
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> i assume they did.
STEVE6101> so are most chickens and turkeys
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> ate lots of chicken and turkey though..
ROYCE3:Royce3> Did they spray today????? I hear that question from some of my
associates almost every day.
SCRYE:Scrye> Oooh, the poultry is a big cheat on the hormone regulations.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> explain more about the spraying if you can Royce.
SEEKINGTHETR> and antibiotics
SCRYE:Scrye> Some comes in less than 12 hours after treatment in their food.
ROYCE3:Royce3> The question is: Is spraying fact or fiction?
STEVE6101> they do what ever they want to keep their grip
ROYCE3:Royce3> Is spraying being done by our government?
SEEKINGTHETR> spraying is chemical contamination
ROYCE3:Royce3> We do know that the government has admitted doing it in the
SCRYE:Scrye> Are you referring to aerial chemtrails?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Our military sprayed biological agents in the sixties.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> They spray for mosquitoes around here during the summer,
but nothing like aerial spraying.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Chemtrails, Scrye.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes.
SEEKINGTHETR> what about jet fuel additives?
1CAVERAT> I don't buy the the chemtrail theory. If you wanted to spray, why
from 30,000 feet where most chemical would dissapate before reaching their
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> they did that in san diego too alchemira
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> it would ruin the finish on cars!
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> mmm...I like my garage.
SCRYE:Scrye> I don't buy the idea that all chemtrails are jet fuel discharges.
1CAVERAT> Ground based spraying would be much more effective
STEVE6101> unless in the clouds ,cave
ROYCE3:Royce3> Reports about the spraying vary. Certainly, a lot of the
spraying stories are nonsense. But are all of the stories nonsense--that is
the quesiton.
DORCASQ> Or just putting the chemicals in our water.
1CAVERAT> true,D
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> But sat, this is florida, mosqitoes here would be flying
pirahnas if it wasn't for that spraying.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> yes
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> like those giant palmetto bugs?
ROYCE3:Royce3> The New York subway system was once sprayed with biolgical
SEEKINGTHETR> now they spray for the west nile virus protection
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> something like that.
1CAVERAT> But don't they spray from the ground for mosquitoes?
SCRYE:Scrye> There are strange patterns, regular crosshatches, being made by
one or two planes in the course of a day.
DORCASQ> Ewwww, yes giant palmetto bugs!!! Used to get my house sprayed for
those in FL.
SCRYE:Scrye> What FOR?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> thats right cave.
SEEKINGTHETR> another nightmare in the making
BAUBLE49:Bauble> .
ROYCE3:Royce3> Could the government be testing to see how to combat a
biological terrorist attack?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Where did you get that info Seeking?
KOLTA:Kolta> By poisoning us, Royce?
SCRYE:Scrye> No, Royce, they have gone beyond test areas.
1CAVERAT> I've been to Florida and I've seen them come around to spray for
STEVE6101> are they for sure the same planes,Scyre
SEEKINGTHETR>'s all over the east coast of the USA
DORCASQ> I have seen them do that too, Cave.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> yep, see them in the neighborhood all the time.
SCRYE:Scrye> Every quadrant of the country has now been sprayed by
chemtrails, according to reports.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> oh okay, thanks seeking.
DORCASQ> Maybe we would all be dead now IF they didn't spray us?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Aerosol dispersion is difficult. But new biological
agents--every hardy ones made so by genetic engineering--have expanded the
SCRYE:Scrye> Large, white, pretty nearly unmarked planes.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> what about vaccines?.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Now there's another way to look at this Dorc.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> I'm sure someone would like us to think that DorcasQ
ROYCE3:Royce3> very hardy ones.
STEVE6101> thats what them would want us to think,dor
DORCASQ> Yes, my positive approach, Baub.
1CAVERAT> Regarding chemtrails, if that is true, why spray in daytime and
draw attention? Spray at night when you would not be seen and the air is
more stable.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Why create more paranioa cave?
KOLTA:Kolta> Good point Cave
ROYCE3:Royce3> Why not spray in the daytime Cave? The press doesn't even
bother to report the stories.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> We tend to ask more questions about things we have to
look for instead of things right in our face.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> That's what I've said in the past also Cave
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Paranoia..
1CAVERAT> I personally don't think there's anything to report about
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Could be, Alc
ROYCE3:Royce3> That is the point, the government can get away with just about
anything these days. They don't have to hide anything. Those who speak out
are marginalized by society--considered nuts.
KOLTA:Kolta> I do not think so either Cave
SEEKINGTHETR> in our area..central Pa..they are always spraying around the
Susquehanna River for something
1CAVERAT> They are a natural phenomena caused by water vapor from a jet
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Paranoia is a sense of hightened awareness, and is
usually downplayed by the trusting and naive. However, many people have used
it successfully to stay alive.
SCRYE:Scrye> There was another book, Point Ultimate, wherein the population
was indeed protected by monthly innoculations from a fatal disease, a disease
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> correct, Royce.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Very true Baal.
1CAVERAT> Has to do with the dew point.
SCRYE:Scrye> Sorry couldn't see the end of that..
DORCASQ> Yes, I could believe that, Scrye
SCRYE:Scrye> 'Course, the government were Russian occupiers.
1CAVERAT> You will find when there is an abundance of contrails, the weather
will become cloudy/rainy within the next 18 - 24 hours
ROYCE3:Royce3> Cave, I don't dispute that there is good evidence that a lot
of spraying reports are incorrect, maybe even fabricated. But it is a
situation a bit like the UFO situation: there remains a small
ROYCE3:Royce3> minority of stories that seem to have validity.
KOLTA:Kolta> We do not have to be paranoid in order not to be naive. It is
like going to two opposite extremes.
SEEKINGTHETR> After all this gloom and doom...remember..."Don't Worry..BE
ROYCE3:Royce3> Kolta, you make an excellent point.
SCRYE:Scrye> Many more people tan usual will develop respiratory disorders.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lol Seeking, true.
1CAVERAT> This is due to an advancing cold front which nearly always follows
a clear day with significant contrail activity
DORCASQ> I won't be able to enjoy eating my dinner tonight.
ROYCE3:Royce3> We all know that most Americans want to stay within a
comfortable envelop of perceived reality.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Salad Dorcas.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Well, I'll still let people earn my trust first.
People who trust freely deserve whatever happens to them.
DORCASQ> Yes, I am going to have a spinach salad...but with pizza.
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are in denial about many of the things that effect us most.
SCRYE:Scrye> People develoop espicially virulent "flu" symptoms.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Sure, our reality being dictated by the world we have
been surrounded by.
KOLTA:Kolta> Let us all meet at Eat n Park for their salad bar!!!!!
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> sounds good!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, order the burgers.
SCRYE:Scrye> Old people may die from complications of pneumonia, or
circulation in the legs.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> OK K!
DORCASQ> I just don't believe I am going to get any of these diseases - am I
being naive?
SCRYE:Scrye> They have had their immune systems severly challenged!
SEEKINGTHETR> or overdose from the drugs they're taking to live longer
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Who want's to live forever Dorcas?
1CAVERAT> No D,logical
DORCASQ> I don't, Alch
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, Dorcasq, you are still a youngster.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Many people with AIDS beleived it would not affect
them. So much for beleif.
KOLTA:Kolta> Dorc, I learned a long time ago not to say never because it
always happens
SCRYE:Scrye> Lately, I do! I've been having fun!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hey, some people avoid safe sex in order to get a bigger
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Good point, Seek
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Thats awesome scrye, stay happy hun!
DORCASQ> You mean never to say never, K? :)
SCRYE:Scrye> How about saying forever?
SCRYE:Scrye> Does that happen, too?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> forever it is!
ROYCE3:Royce3> It is called "barebacking"--unsafe sex.
KOLTA:Kolta> I would be saying never then, Dorc and that would defeat my
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> its playing with fire.
DORCASQ> I know, I noticed that, K.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Crowley once said something to the effect, "When your
beleifs and observations are in conflict, always hold to your observations,
no matter how dear your beleifs are to you."
KOLTA:Kolta> That is so very true Baal
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> I think my beliefs and observations are out to get each
BAUBLE49:Bauble> True Baal - but hard to do
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lol
DORCASQ> I told that to my Dr. when he said I shouldn't smoke - he thinks I'm
nutty but he doesn't bug me anymore.
KOLTA:Kolta> Experiences can change beliefs
ROYCE3:Royce3> Do any of you remember "canibal hamburgers"? it is rare
hamburger with a slice of onion on a roll. Maybe some people will start
eating them again just to prove themselves fearless.
1CAVERAT> What were Crowley's moral standards?
SCRYE:Scrye> Jefferson said, "When it comes to fashion, flow with the stream,
but when it comes to principle, stand like a tock."
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> i remember hearing about those
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> or in need of some new development in breath mints royce.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Onions and garlic keep one healthy
SCRYE:Scrye> rock, stand like a rock!
SEEKINGTHETR> does cancer cause smoking or smoking cause cancer?
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> haha scrye
KOLTA:Kolta> "tock"? Scrye
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Crowley's morals were what he wanted them to be - as
it should be with any allegedly free-willed individual.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> i wondered what a tock was?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, if the meat gets any worse, we will need the garlic,
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Seeking, you can't be serious.
SCRYE:Scrye> rock on , Kolta!
SEEKINGTHETR> where's Jeff..our time keeper
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lol
KOLTA:Kolta> I am rocking
SEEKINGTHETR> just kidding Alchem
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> 5:22 MST
1CAVERAT> in other words, Crowley believed anything goes
KOLTA:Kolta> It is not 7:30 yet
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> You know, one of my fave substitutes for burgers is
mushroom burgers, good stuff!
DORCASQ> Wishful thinking, Seek?
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> 7:21
ROYCE3:Royce3> I love those, Alchemira.
SCRYE:Scrye> Does meat cause jerky or jerking cause meat?
STEVE6101> thats the time I have Seek
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> oh lord.
SEEKINGTHETR> but certain types of personalities are more likely to get
certain diseases and certain behaviors
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Crowlet beleived that beleif was an individual's
choice - not something to be dictated by a government or religion.
DORCASQ> Do cows get Mad when they get Mad Cow disease?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hey, I think we have aired some important topics tonight.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> I like that Baal!
1CAVERAT> That philosophy is what led to the rapid spread of aids, immoral
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Sure, a depressive personality will have a lowered
immune system and more prone to illness.
KOLTA:Kolta> Crowley has a point, Baal
SEEKINGTHETR> my clock was fast...sorry
ROYCE3:Royce3> After this chat, I'm off to Mickey D's
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> yuk!
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Yum Yum
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> wait till tomorow royce. 48 cent cheesburgers
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Right and moral lifestyles helped the spread of
crusades - which kills more people than AIDs ever will...
ROYCE3:Royce3> I just hope I'm not sprayed on the way.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> So there.
KOLTA:Kolta> yuk yuk
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> I think I am going to be sick!
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Very GOOD, Baal!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> That is right, Sat. WOW! Wednesday is fun day!!!!!!
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> True Baal!
DORCASQ> Funny royce
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> the whole family can pig out for just a few bux!
BAUBLE49:Bauble> I thought it was Tues and Sunday NO???
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> sun and wed
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> so we should watch our meat intakes and run around
wearing gas masks?
ROYCE3:Royce3> That shows all you know Bauble.
SCRYE:Scrye> Killjoy!
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> my kids keep me informed. :/
STEVE6101> any one ever watch people in the south eat crawfish?
SEEKINGTHETR> or the Chinese buffet for some cat or dog
DORCASQ> And don't "run around" Alch
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> true! lol
ROYCE3:Royce3> Oh, Alchemira, you worry too much! Have fun! Chow down on
those burgers.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> I've been thinking of it, buying a gas mask that is.
Some days I can't even go outside - the air is that bad.
SCRYE:Scrye> Don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters.
1CAVERAT> Where are "the crusades" supported in the Bible? You are singling
out a few on the fringe who claimed Christianity
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> but...what about tofu????3.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Well then tomorrow I have something great to look forward to
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Darnit, means I have to cancel my casual sex date for
this evening Dorcas.
SEEKINGTHETR> good question cave
ROYCE3:Royce3> Baal, that is that crappy smoke that blows your way from the
States. LOL
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> that's a scary thought Baal.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> Bob Dylan!
DORCASQ> Well, just be careful, Alch
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> just kidding.
DORCASQ> Be formal.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Alchemira, don't worry be happy. Let it all hang out.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Caverat - I'm just giving evidence that morality can
be as, if not more deadly, than immorality.
SEEKINGTHETR> just watch out for the mad cows
BAUBLE49:Bauble> funny Dorc!
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> naaah, only a nice thick sweater will do.
SCRYE:Scrye> You can light your cigarette on the hot meters, Sat.
1CAVERAT> Christianity does not say beat em over the head with a Bible. The
crusades were also immoral
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> We have to watch for people who would tell us how to
think and behave.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Cult Personalities?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> ciggy!!!
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> are you insane???
DORCASQ> If we worried about everything, we would never leave the house.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> After the Christians were persecuted and then came into
power they did the persecuting
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hey maybe Al Gore has been eating cows infected with Mad Cow
disease. I mean he still thinks he is going to be president. Maybe he has
sustained brain damage already.
SCRYE:Scrye> Be Formal, Wear Your raincoat!
SCRYE:Scrye> Dylan, Sat.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lol
1CAVERAT> But we must have some form of guidlines or all will collapse into
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> oh.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> .
STEVE6101> true Cave man does many inhuman things in the name of religon but
he will do that with anything not Gods fault
ROYCE3:Royce3> Jeff Love is praying for anarchy, Cave.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Immoral now - but at the time they were sanctioned.
Just like how the Catholics had a policy of non-involvment during WWII with
the holocaust. It only became immoral to hate jews after the allies
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> won.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Jeff's motto is: Let the games begin!
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> 7:30 7:30 7:30
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Morality and immorality has always been dictated by
those in power.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> there he is!
SCRYE:Scrye> Interesting point Baal.
KOLTA:Kolta> What about spirituality?
DORCASQ> It is chow time!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, that is it for tonight gang. Thank you all for coming
tonight. This has been fun.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Goodnight All
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> not entirely true Baal, dictated by those with the
greatest influences on a general population I think.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Come back tomorrow!!!!
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> power to the oligarchy
DORCASQ> Goodnight everyone!
KOLTA:Kolta> If you are spiritual, then you do not worry about moral and
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> goodnight all!
STEVE6101> good night all
ROYCE3:Royce3> Bye all.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Which usually implied having the power.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lol Jeff!
SCRYE:Scrye> Thanks, Royce, great chat!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Good night!
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