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** KOLTA just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (2 members now) ** KOLTA:Kolta> Hello ROYCE3:Royce3> hi
ROYCE3:Royce3> How is your day going? ** DORCASQ just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (3 members now) ** KOLTA:Kolta> How are you today? ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi dorcasq. KOLTA:Kolta> I am busy but fine
ROYCE3:Royce3> Dorcasq, we will want to post the info you emailed. DORCASQ> Hi! ROYCE3:Royce3> I suspect this might be a very slow day. KOLTA:Kolta> Hi Dorcasq
DORCASQ> I was suspecting that too - Hi Kolta! ** WATANNA just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (4 members now) ** ROYCE3:Royce3> Given all the trouble today, I'm almost surprised to have made it.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Wantanna. KOLTA:Kolta> The holidays are keeping people busy WATANNA:Watanna> Hi everyone DORCASQ> He Watanna! ROYCE3:Royce3> I had to come on via AOL.
DORCASQ> Really, Royce, how did you do that? KOLTA:Kolta> Why is that Royce? ROYCE3:Royce3> Presently, I can't reach MSN ROYCE3:Royce3> So I linked to AOL via the IM system.
KOLTA:Kolta> A glitch or something? DORCASQ> Royce is having BIG computer problems! ROYCE3:Royce3> I don't know what the problem has been today. Chaos with my computer.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I hope it isn't a virus. DORCASQ> Any computer problem is BIG to me. WATANNA:Watanna> or an early Millenium bug KOLTA:Kolta> And to me too, Dorcasq
ROYCE3:Royce3> I have kept my Norton antivirus system up to date. But who knows? DORCASQ> That is what I was thinking, W. ROYCE3:Royce3> Well I spent a lot of time but accomplished very little.
WATANNA:Watanna> lets hope we will all still be on line in the new year ROYCE3:Royce3> A good point, Watanna. KOLTA:Kolta> There are supposed to be a lot of bugs out there right now
DORCASQ> Yes, I still don't know what to do to my computer for Y2K. WATANNA:Watanna> so I have heard, lets hope its a joke KOLTA:Kolta> My computer has been Y2k tested, it should survive.
ROYCE3:Royce3> The phone circuits are heavily loaded in my corner of the planet. The service said to try to call later a number of times today.
WATANNA:Watanna> well, mine has been tested and hopefully is ok, I am told not to use it New Years eve DORCASQ> Everyone doing their Xmas shopping on the internet?
** SATELLITE8 just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (5 members now) ** ROYCE3:Royce3> Some people were bragging to an investigative committee about being able to bring down the internet.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi sat WATANNA:Watanna> Hi Sat KOLTA:Kolta> I do not trust putting my credit card on the Internet DORCASQ> Me neither, K, I just thought maybe that is why it was so busy today.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Actually, that is probably one area that I think is safe. ROYCE3:Royce3> Far safer than using it over the phone. WATANNA:Watanna> the only one, I think lol
DORCASQ> I just can't believe that, royce. ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, don't ever think it is hard to tap a phone. KOLTA:Kolta> That is why it is busy. UPS is not gauranteeing anything
because the Internet has kept them so busy WATANNA:Watanna> There is nothing big brother cannot get into these days ROYCE3:Royce3> Big brother is sure doing their best. KOLTA:Kolta> I agree with D and W
DORCASQ> I'm just more worried about all the "wierdos" on the internet - not big brother. ROYCE3:Royce3> Primarily, they put the hurts on the little people.
WATANNA:Watanna> There are so many D WATANNA:Watanna> I bet this ufo chat is monitered ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, the internet is the wave of the future. DORCASQ> Yes, it probably is, W.
KOLTA:Kolta> We are probably being monitored WATANNA:Watanna> thanks Kolta, I knew I had spelled it wrong lol DORCASQ> That doesn't bother me - they will be bored with us by now. SATELLITE8> hi
WATANNA:Watanna> hi Sat ROYCE3:Royce3> I have toyed with the notion of using encrypted chats. But I fear it would confuse some of our folks. WATANNA:Watanna> it would me
KOLTA:Kolta> Well, my typing is awful SATELLITE8> i am busy eating tofu WATANNA:Watanna> my spelling is worse lol ROYCE3:Royce3> Dorcasq, they might find us more interesting than you imagine.
<grin> ROYCE3:Royce3> Watch that tofu, Sat. ROYCE3:Royce3> Bad for the brain, so they say. WATANNA:Watanna> dont drop any on the keyboard Sat lol
SATELLITE8> what did you say? i am brain-damaged DORCASQ> Did you read Royce's post, Sat, on msg. board? ROYCE3:Royce3> Ohhhhhhh nnooooooooooo, I didn't. SATELLITE8> yes i am scared!!!
DORCASQ> Well....too late now. ROYCE3:Royce3> The article had a lot to say about soy products. WATANNA:Watanna> what is it about? WATANNA:Watanna> ok WATANNA:Watanna> not too healthy eh!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Essentially, it says that soy products can cause brain damage. It is a fairly complicated story. It is a bit involved to discuss here. KOLTA:Kolta> And I used to eat Tofu quite a bit
DORCASQ> There isn't much at all we can eat that doesn't have some kind of problem. ROYCE3:Royce3> I think you have a good point, Dorcasq. WATANNA:Watanna> theres always something, I agree D
DORCASQ> So I just eat what tastes good to me! ROYCE3:Royce3> Now we have mad cow disease. WATANNA:Watanna> same here WATANNA:Watanna> Have you got it too?????
DORCASQ> I rely on my body to tell me if it is good for me. KOLTA:Kolta> That is a good way of doing it D ROYCE3:Royce3> The Mad Cow disease is scaring a lot of people in the States.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Some believe deer and elk are infected. WATANNA:Watanna> Have you got it over there?? SATELLITE8> MAD TOFU DISEASE ROYCE3:Royce3> Watanna, some say it is over here.
WATANNA:Watanna> lol WATANNA:Watanna> that is awful ROYCE3:Royce3> No one wants to admit it yet. WATANNA:Watanna> I wonder if thats whats up with my spelling lol DORCASQ> ha, ha
ROYCE3:Royce3> Some people have died from what seems to certainly have been Mad Cow disease. WATANNA:Watanna> I hope you havn't, its a terrible thing
ROYCE3:Royce3> A friend was just telling me that it is very healthy to eat wild game. Well, he may be in for a bit of a surprise. WATANNA:Watanna> strange how these new diseases keep popping up
DORCASQ> Yes, I have a friend who eats no meat except wild game too. ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, we are feeding cows animal parts, and that is supposed to have caused the problem.
KOLTA:Kolta> And there are more and more new diseases all the time ROYCE3:Royce3> But who knows? WATANNA:Watanna> makes you wonder just what is going on DORCASQ> WHO knows is right!
ROYCE3:Royce3> The offending micro organisms are called prions and it takes a tremendous amount of heat to kill them. WATANNA:Watanna> think I will go to a hot climate
ROYCE3:Royce3> Present day rendering methods don't work well at killing the prions. KOLTA:Kolta> brb WATANNA:Watanna> wonder where these prions came from
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, that's another question no one seems able to answer. WATANNA:Watanna> hmmmm I wonder DORCASQ> Maybe it is something someone just discovered - prions. KOLTA:Kolta> Back
ROYCE3:Royce3> The UK took most of the heat, but there's little evidence that the prions originated there. WATANNA:Watanna> or maybe its something someone has just released
WATANNA:Watanna> yes, very strange, new diseases DORCASQ> yes ROYCE3:Royce3> The point is, the world is growing smaller--that is, all sorts of diseases are just a short plane flight away.
KOLTA:Kolta> Very true ROYCE3:Royce3> Changing weather patterns are permitting a lot of tropical diseases to live in new areas. WATANNA:Watanna> I agree, disease travels very fast these days
WATANNA:Watanna> The British weather has not changed enough to introduce Prions suddenly ROYCE3:Royce3> Look at the spread of antibiotic resistant TB. Conditions in planes make transmission very easy.
KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off - WATANNA:Watanna> that is so true Royce ** KOLTA:Kolta just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (5 members now) **
ROYCE3:Royce3> In order to save money the airlines don't recirculate the air often enough. WATANNA:Watanna> wb Kolta ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, we are paying a price.
DORCASQ> They just try to spray everyone on the plane. KOLTA:Kolta> Thanks Watanna WATANNA:Watanna> is that true Royce? ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, Watanna, circulating the air more frequently increases
fuel consumption . DORCASQ> The spray is probably worse than the disease they are spraying. SATELLITE8> am I here? ROYCE3:Royce3> That could be, Dorcasq. WATANNA:Watanna> that is disgraceful
KOLTA:Kolta> You are here Sat. WATANNA:Watanna> yes Sat :-) ** IVONDORION just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (6 members now) ** ROYCE3:Royce3> In point of fact, money is usually the primary concern.
SATELLITE8> how much tofu do you need to eat? WATANNA:Watanna> always ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello, Ivondorion. SATELLITE8> before you get goofy?
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are talking about new and strange diseases. IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Hell-O people WATANNA:Watanna> sorry Sat, its too late lol DORCASQ> How much have you eaten, Sat, haha
SATELLITE8> not that much. How about Soy Milk? SATELLITE8> I like Soy milk too WATANNA:Watanna> bye Sat WATANNA:Watanna> lol ROYCE3:Royce3> I would guess that soy milk is bad too.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> New and strange diseases, like the Reform Party? SATELLITE8> WELL. KOLTA:Kolta> No wonder I am already goofy SATELLITE8> so far my brain is just fine
WATANNA:Watanna> and me IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Soy does putrefy faster than meat... SATELLITE8> I can spell excellent DORCASQ> Now that is an interesting disease, Maxx.
WATANNA:Watanna> I am goofy too SATELLITE8> I still type very fast and remember everything IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Well in Canada, Reform here isn't all that New... SATELLITE8> however, i am goofy
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> >;-> ROYCE3:Royce3> Ivondorion, there's an interesting article posted on the message board about soy. You might be interested in it.
WATANNA:Watanna> I reackon your ok Sat, its the rest of us ** CHIP5050 just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (7 members now) ** ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, what's a little more brain damage among friends?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Chip, welcome. SATELLITE8> well. IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> I've read quite a bit of soy/antisoy propaganda... I'm a nutritional consultant... CHIP5050> hi, thanks
SATELLITE8> what was that about MAD COW DISEASE??? SATELLITE8> is that only in England? WATANNA:Watanna> yes Sat, I must have it
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, Ivondorion, then please do read the article and give us your viewpoint. SATELLITE8> have you mooed lately W? CHIP5050> - signed off -
DORCASQ> What do you think about the soy/antisoy propaganda, Maxx? WATANNA:Watanna> yep SATELLITE8> or given milk? SATELLITE8> or chewed your cud? SATELLITE8> or found that you crave grass?
WATANNA:Watanna> yep, all of those ROYCE3:Royce3> Sat, you sound like a real farm girl. IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> about as much as I think of any propaganda... WATANNA:Watanna> lol
SATELLITE8> W you do have those big soft eyes IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> i'll stick to the facts... WATANNA:Watanna> yep, those too I am afraid SATELLITE8> yep. i am a wanna-be farm girl
WATANNA:Watanna> lol SATELLITE8> is this study valid? SATELLITE8> I just bought tofu at the co-op 2 days ago!!! ROYCE3:Royce3> Of course, it isn't easy to determine who is providing real
facts about anything. Yes, do check to see if it is a valid study. SATELLITE8> AND SOY MILK and SOYNOG SATELLITE8> this is a conspiracy SATELLITE8> against the farmers who grow soybeans!
WATANNA:Watanna> I dont think we can be 100% about any food or drink IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> After all - if the study was funded by either the milk, meat or soy producers - i'd be suspicious...
SATELLITE8> by the farmers who raise meat cattle! SATELLITE8> veal farmers! SATELLITE8> next it will be EGGPLANT!! DORCASQ> That is true, Maxx.
SATELLITE8> and we are making eggplant parmesan tonight ROYCE3:Royce3> Eggplant, I do like eggplant. WATANNA:Watanna> so do I SATELLITE8> but. does EGGPLANT LIKE US?
ROYCE3:Royce3> I like it cooked with soy sauce and chicken broth. WATANNA:Watanna> The way we treat food, doubt it SATELLITE8> or does it cause us to turn into deteriorated brain-dead folk?
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> I recommend reading "How to lie with Statistics" - I can't remember the name of the Author off-hand... DORCASQ> Does soy sauce have soy products in it, Royce? haha
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, statistics, certainly, can lie. SATELLITE8> yes it does. SATELLITE8> it is made from fermented soy! KOLTA:Kolta> Statistics can be manipulated any way you want them to go
SATELLITE8> what about JAPAN??? ROYCE3:Royce3> AHHHHHHHHHHh, I can't remember your question, DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU. <grin> SATELLITE8> THEY eat tons of soy!
DORCASQ> I didn't know that, Sat, never thought about it being connected. hmmm. ROYCE3:Royce3> Sat , one of the studys was done in Japan. SATELLITE8> they are very smart there
ROYCE3:Royce3> Japanese men are the ones having the problem. ROYCE3:Royce3> That prompted the study, I think. ** 1CAVERAT just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (7 members now) **
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello Caverat, welcome. SATELLITE8> this is just bunk 1CAVERAT> better late than never, hi all WATANNA:Watanna> hi Caverat SATELLITE8> hi
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Yeah right, the Japanese are the one's who brought us Sailor Moon and POkemon - talk about brains turning to mush... ROYCE3:Royce3> I'm glad you are convinced of that, Sat.
SATELLITE8> do you eat tofu? ROYCE3:Royce3> Who? SATELLITE8> YOU!@!! ROYCE3:Royce3> Too expensive. KOLTA:Kolta> If it is only the Japanese who are affected, maybe it is a
problem unique only to the Japanese SATELLITE8> well what do you eat then? IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Pokemon is definitely a product of soy induced brain atrophy... >;->
WATANNA:Watanna> I think that most foods and drinks are contaminated in some way ROYCE3:Royce3> You can buy meat and die of Mad Cow disease. Cheaper than tofu. WATANNA:Watanna> if not all
SATELLITE8> there are parts of cockroaches in chocolate DORCASQ> Agree with you there, Maxx. SATELLITE8> Royce. SATELLITE8> you are scaring me.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Wattana, you are right. It is just a question of how badly they are contaminated, not if they are. WATANNA:Watanna> thats for sure SATELLITE8> I am going to turn anorexic again!!!
SATELLITE8> safer that way. IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Not chocolate made here in Calgary... No cockroaches here... ROYCE3:Royce3> Skinny people live the longest. DORCASQ> Sure, Sat.
SATELLITE8> well then I am safe. SATELLITE8> I am not skinny so I won't live long enough for my brain to get that bad!!! SATELLITE8> NYAYH!
DORCASQ> They can import the cockroaches to Calgary, Maxx. ROYCE3:Royce3> Just hold on to that belief, Ivondorion. IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Good Luck... Who's "they" anyways?
SATELLITE8> do you think that is why i had a headache today? DORCASQ> They - the cockroach putter inners. WATANNA:Watanna> no Sat, the headache was probably from breathing in the air lol
ROYCE3:Royce3> Lots of protein in cockroaches. IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> what - you figure were due for invasion from the viscious Prarie Cockroach or something??? WATANNA:Watanna> lol
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> oops - that's Prairie Cockroach... ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, maybe we should turn to the topic for today--cults. WATANNA:Watanna> ok KOLTA:Kolta> Good 1CAVERAT> ok
DORCASQ> I don't seriously believe this about the cockroaches, just going with the flow. KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off - 1CAVERAT> iwas gettin hungry
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> like christianity before Constantine legalized it??? ROYCE3:Royce3> How many of you have ever belonged to a cult? WATANNA:Watanna> not me
SATELLITE8> oh no. I read that the US GOVERNMENT ALLOWS SO MANY PARTS PER MILLION OF COCKROACHES IN CHOCOLATE!!! 1CAVERAT> no ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, Christianity is called a cult by some.
DORCASQ> I never have. ** KOLTA:Kolta just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (7 members now) ** SATELLITE8> not knowingly SATELLITE8> wb K WATANNA:Watanna> I am a free spirit
KOLTA:Kolta> Thanks Sat. ROYCE3:Royce3> Dorcasq, how about posting the definition of a cult? IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> I was Mormon for a couple of weeks - before I
learned they practice Black Magick... ROYCE3:Royce3> Ivondorian, you actually joined the church? SATELLITE8> Scrye says hi and he is not by a computer so he won't be on tonight
ROYCE3:Royce3> Tell him I said hi, too. IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Yep... it was during a brief psychotic episode in 1992... KOLTA:Kolta> I am waving to Scrye
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> but i'm much better now... >;-> ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, what were you ingesting at that time? SATELLITE8> ok DORCASQ> Do you consider the Mormans to be a cult?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Who? SATELLITE8> he was ingesting tofu ROYCE3:Royce3> Dorcasq, are you going to post the info? SATELLITE8> what do you think
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> i consider all organized religion an insult to people who can think for themselves. WATANNA:Watanna> I am not a part of any religion, they are all cults.
SATELLITE8> even Buddhism? DORCASQ> Ok I will, Royce, if you want me to do it now? KOLTA:Kolta> I agree Maxx ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes. ROYCE3:Royce3> Post.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> but there ok for people who like to be told what truth is and how to find it... ROYCE3:Royce3> Now, we will get an official definition of a cult from Dorcasq.
WATANNA:Watanna> parts of all religion Sat are controlling DORCASQ> Ten characteristics of what makes a cult: DORCASQ> 1. Idolatry of a single charismatic leader DORCASQ> 2. A revered inner circle
DORCASQ> Not even the most ambitious charismatic leader can single-handedly manage an DORCASQ> organization beyond a certain size. Generally, all large cults have an inner circle of
DORCASQ> members who are revered by others almost as much as the leader. They are held in DORCASQ> awe; they are feared; they are envied; they are gossiped about. DORCASQ> 3. Secrecy of management
DORCASQ> Cult leaders do not maintain even the pretense of accountability for their actions. DORCASQ> 4. Financial Evasiveness DORCASQ> 5. Dependency
DORCASQ> Perhaps the major reason cults are justifiably feared is that their authoritarian leadership nurtures the dependency of the followers. Rather than encouraging their followers to become a group of
DORCASQ> all leaders, cults tend to discourage the capacity of their members to think for themselves. DORCASQ> 6. Conformity DORCASQ> 7. Special Language
DORCASQ> A set of words that have a special meaning to them often incomprehensible to people outside the organization. DORCASQ> 8. Dogmatic doctrine DORCASQ> 9. Heresy
DORCASQ> 10. God in captivity DORCASQ> In their skewed relationship to God and their satisfaction with dogmatism, cults feel that they have God all sewn up. They have captured God.
***Quoted from Scott Peck's book Further Along the Road Less Traveled *** DORCASQ> Did it post? WATANNA:Watanna> yes D DORCASQ> My screen is frozen. DORCASQ> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> Dorcasq pays a price each time she posts this stuff. ** DORCASQ just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (7 members now) ** WATANNA:Watanna> is anyone there?
SATELLITE8> me and emily just saw that movie DOGMA on saturday WATANNA:Watanna> ok ROYCE3:Royce3> You did it Dorcasq DORCASQ> I'm back, what happened? SATELLITE8> it was pretty weird
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are here. WATANNA:Watanna> wb D SATELLITE8> Alannis Morisette was GOD DORCASQ> thanks IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Dogma = AM GOD backwards... KOLTA:Kolta> I saw dogma also
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, how would you folks feel if one of your family joined, say, Heaven's Gate? WATANNA:Watanna> I think people are so lost, they join to feel a part of life
and try to find its meaning IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> not if you've heared Alanis Morrisette stuff before Jagged Little Pill - you know the Debbie Gibson era...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Now who was Alanis Morrisette? SATELLITE8> Singer from Canada WATANNA:Watanna> Theres a perfect example of mans ego Royce ROYCE3:Royce3> How's that, Watanna?
KOLTA:Kolta> Are we staying on topic? IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Being Canadian - I remember that and her "You Can't do that on Television" days. Watching a 10 year old Alanis getting
Green-Slimed is almost worth the agony of having to hear her sing... ROYCE3:Royce3> I'm not sure? Who is Alanis Morrisette? WATANNA:Watanna> When the forces show themselves to people, their ego can
sometimes get in the way and they become whom they are supposed to be worshipping ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, have any of you followed closely the WACO business?
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Cool - I worship my own reflection - so does that mean I am to become myself??? ROYCE3:Royce3> A lot of folks are still upset over that incident.
WATANNA:Watanna> yes I did Royce, and there the ego said he was Christ IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> The WACO business - I saw it burn down on TV...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, what conclusions do you draw from the WACO incident, Ivondorion? WATANNA:Watanna> people are so lost these days they follow to learn, but mans ego rules
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Maxx's definition of Doomsday Cults: God's way of weeding out the Stupid. KOLTA:Kolta> Very good Maxx DORCASQ> That is an interesting definition, Maxx.
WATANNA:Watanna> there is a differnece between being stupid and being lost ROYCE3:Royce3> So are we to conclude that all cults are bad, without exception? WATANNA:Watanna> yes KOLTA:Kolta> yes
1CAVERAT> I would agree with that Royce DORCASQ> I don't know, but the word cult just makes me think it is bad. IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> only the one's that tell you what truth is and what
you should think... WATANNA:Watanna> most do ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, what about yogis with their students? IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> guess they iz bad then... ROYCE3:Royce3> Cult--it's a loaded word.
KOLTA:Kolta> But do yogis try to control their students? DORCASQ> If cults control people's mind, they have to be bad I think.
ROYCE3:Royce3> One person's cult could, I suppose, be another person's school. WATANNA:Watanna> The trouble is man has defined religion to his own ways
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Depends - some gurus feel they have the rights to take advantage of students - even sexual harassment isn't unheard of... The only good dictator, IMHO, is a dead dictator...
DORCASQ> And I don't believe in worshipping any person. WATANNA:Watanna> I always say to people follow no man, follow your inner truth ROYCE3:Royce3> Would a witch's coven be a cult?
DORCASQ> Well said, W. WATANNA:Watanna> yes Royce IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> some are, royce... KOLTA:Kolta> I agree, well said, Watanna ROYCE3:Royce3> Pnerissa, should be here. She is a witch.
DORCASQ> But we don't worship Pnerissa. IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> I used to be wiccan too - yet another psychotic episode... ROYCE3:Royce3> We don't. I'm not sure about others.
WATANNA:Watanna> If I wanted to, and my ego was such that I had no faith in man finding his own path, then I could start a cult WATANNA:Watanna> it is that easy
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> what do we even need a path for - what's wrong with aimless wandering? DORCASQ> I believe that, W. So many people want someone to lead them.
ROYCE3:Royce3> It does seem that certain people have a talent for starting cults. WATANNA:Watanna> there are so many lost people out there, who are afraid
KOLTA:Kolta> Or no faith in finding your own in, then you could start a culter truth KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off - IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> someone has to - otherwise they wouldn't exist.
1CAVERAT> Watanna, you are right. Anyone can start a cult, but not anyone can start a true religion ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, that is true, Watanna. Might cults be good for weak people?
** KOLTA:Kolta just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (7 members now) ** ROYCE3:Royce3> Maybe some people need to be cared for. KOLTA:Kolta> Cults look for those who are vulnerable
DORCASQ> What is a true religion, caverat? ROYCE3:Royce3> The Christian right raves on and on about the evils of cults. WATANNA:Watanna> no Royce, I advise people, and then they go their own way
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> it preys upon the vulnerable as well. KOLTA:Kolta> That is what i said Maxx IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> doh!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Caverat, can you tell us the difference between a true religion and a cult? KOLTA:Kolta> The Christian right can be a cult
1CAVERAT> That which encourages worship of a spiritual being, ie God and not promotion of a "church" here on earth ROYCE3:Royce3> Good point, Kolta.
ROYCE3:Royce3> But they don't consider themselves such. DORCASQ> The catholic church meets a lot of the criteria for a cult. 1CAVERAT> agree D SATELLITE8> BINGO!!!
WATANNA:Watanna> I worship a Spiritual bing, but I am not in a Cult IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Oh yeah, I always figured it would be a right wing
fundamentalist that would start WWIII. Like a Southern Baptist President or something... SATELLITE8> they play BINGO! ROYCE3:Royce3> How about the Baptists, Caverat?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Are they a cult or a true religion? IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> I worship Bing too... And Fred Astaire, Ginger Rogers, George and Gracie Burns... SATELLITE8> HAHAHA
1CAVERAT> I am one, Royce. But we worship God and essentially have no earthly leaders KOLTA:Kolta> Religion has cult like attributes. It is organized by people and is different from spirituality
WATANNA:Watanna> thanks Maxx, just what I needed SATELLITE8> You forgot Gene Kelly IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> >;-> DORCASQ> Some big corporations have been thought of as being cults (IBM for
example). ROYCE3:Royce3> Ivondorion, would you consider becoming a Baptist? WATANNA:Watanna> right Kolta 1CAVERAT> Believers are not coerced into joining and are free to leave at any time
WATANNA:Watanna> religion and cults build walls DORCASQ> That is true, Caverat. ROYCE3:Royce3> Good point, Caverat. IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Sure I would - right after I gave head to, then
swallowed the load off of a .357 Magnum... 1CAVERAT> We encourage study of God's teachings for yourself 1CAVERAT> Not something dictated from a leader 1CAVERAT> figure of some type
DORCASQ> That sounds good to me, Cave. KOLTA:Kolta> Very good Caverat ROYCE3:Royce3> Gee, Ivondorion, you have to be clearer about what you mean.
By the way, if you are in Canada, where are you going to get a 357 mag? ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes a 357. slug would hurt. IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> from one of the Army Bases...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Damn, I thought gun control worked. IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> didn't you know that the occurance of violent crimes using a weapon is inversely proportional to how strongly guns are
controlled??? ROYCE3:Royce3> REALLY? You mean there's crime in Australia? IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> For example, in England gun control measures were
implemented in 1988. In the eleven years since then - violent crime with a weapon has increased 70%, and violent crime with a hangun has increased IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> 110%... No Bull...
WATANNA:Watanna> thats why cults are armed to the teeth ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, Ivondorion, we are in complete agreement on the gun control issue.
1CAVERAT> In most cases regarding weapons in cults, they have been used against their own members IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Conversely, Muggins in Florida are low, because its
legal to carry conceled weapons there... KOLTA:Kolta> That is why we cannot change things with outer rules and regulations 1CAVERAT> to control them IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Muggings - that is...
KOLTA:Kolta> People need to change inwardly ROYCE3:Royce3> It is true that the various police agencies are very worried about millennium violence. WATANNA:Watanna> K
ROYCE3:Royce3> Cults are being watched closely, they say. WATANNA:Watanna> This is what happens when truth is kept from the masses
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Also - 10% of robberies in the US are HOT (meaning a victim is home). In Canada, where the government has taken away our rights to protect ourselves, HOT robberies acount for 40%...
SATELLITE8> yes. the truth about tofu! IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Cool - Yay Anarchy! Hail Chaos! Hail Eris! Hail Chthulu! Ia! Ia! Iao!
** PNERISSA:Pnerissa just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (8 members now) ** ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello, Pnerissa, we are talking about cults.
WATANNA:Watanna> we have people running about like chickens with their heads cut off, not knowing what or who to believe PNERISSA:Pnerissa> thank you. I was wondering about the topic
ROYCE3:Royce3> So Pnerissa, do you lead a cult? KOLTA:Kolta> People need to learn to trust their own inner truth WATANNA:Watanna> K PNERISSA:Pnerissa> hahahah..no DORCASQ> Yes, K.
SATELLITE8> well, do you eat tofu? ROYCE3:Royce3> Caverat is a baptist; some say he would be a cult. I don't agree. PNERISSA:Pnerissa> Unless wanting to lead my own harem of men counts...
WATANNA:Watanna> lol IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> And what about schizophrenics, whose inner truth can tell them to be paranoid?
WATANNA:Watanna> any religion that says this is right and you are wrong, is a cult ROYCE3:Royce3> What about people who worship entertainers? Take the Beatles, the Doors, etc.
DORCASQ> I think some schizophrenics are more in touch with their inner truth than "sane" people. SATELLITE8> right D! PNERISSA:Pnerissa> David Duchovny
WATANNA:Watanna> never worshipped anyone Royce KOLTA:Kolta> Correct D ROYCE3:Royce3> Who is David Duchovny? WATANNA:Watanna> right D PNERISSA:Pnerissa> Fox Mulder from the X-Files
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Could be - but try to tell that to the FBI - who have a composite EEG of a "normal" person, compiled from about 50 000 "status quo" citizens...
WATANNA:Watanna> Ex-Files, but I dont worship him ROYCE3:Royce3> Oh, yes, I know who you mean. PNERISSA:Pnerissa> I can't believe you don't know that one... Mr. Extraterrestrial hunter himself
ROYCE3:Royce3> People worship him, Pnerissa? WATANNA:Watanna> dont trust the FBI ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, I don't have TV. ROYCE3:Royce3> So most of those on TV, I won't know.
SATELLITE8> a lot of TV sucks. ROYCE3:Royce3> But I have seen and enjoyed the x files. WATANNA:Watanna> you aint missing much lol
1CAVERAT> Regarding Christianity and cults, Christianity cannot be considered a cult since the founder of Christianity himself, (Jesus Christ) did not even require people to follow him. Any are free to leave
1CAVERAT> at any time if they decide to do so. They can base this decision on their own study of the Bible or any other source. A cult would attempt to
control where you get your information and thus coerce 1CAVERAT> you to stay by providing you with false or misleading information. SATELLITE8> Dharma and Greg is good! SATELLITE8> Funny!
KOLTA:Kolta> But I do not think it was Christ's intention to start a religion 1CAVERAT> agree DORCASQ> Most religions make people believe they will just "go to hell" if
they leave the religious group. WATANNA:Watanna> Christ is a Master IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Sorry, but I still cannot abide by any consensual
beleif system (basically where people base "truth" on what ideas are most popular, a lot of pagan groups fall into this trap). 1CAVERAT> He wanted followers of him, not a church
WATANNA:Watanna> man then took over KOLTA:Kolta> Correct Caverat PNERISSA:Pnerissa> I hate to discuss religion because it usually winds up
going badly. I don't think christianity as a whole is a cult, but there are groups of them that go too far and I would consider them cult-like KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off - ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, I guess, I
** KOLTA:Kolta just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (8 members now) ** 1CAVERAT> Maxx, If you take the Bible literally, (from original text) it has not changed in 2000 years
ROYCE3:Royce3> am close to Pnerissa's position. DORCASQ> You are right, Pnerissa. WATANNA:Watanna> when people take up arms againt each other in the name of, then that is a cult
1CAVERAT> regardless of what is currently "popular" IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Presuming the XIans are right - I wonder what it
would be like if we discovered that there is no heaven. Wouldn't it be funny if everyone just ended up in everyone else's hell??? WATANNA:Watanna> there were beliefs before the bible
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Caverat - I've read the bible more than you might beleive... PNERISSA:Pnerissa> lol. KOLTA:Kolta> And the Bible was put toether by the Church
ROYCE3:Royce3> Does everyone here believe in God? ROYCE3:Royce3> I do. WATANNA:Watanna> and the church was put together by....man KOLTA:Kolta> What is left out says a lot too 1CAVERAT> yes
DORCASQ> Yes - MAN wrote the bible. IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> The story about David killing 200 phoenician's, then bringing their foreskins back to win the hand of Saul's daughter struck
me as a little odd... SATELLITE8> yes WATANNA:Watanna> yes, I beleive IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> So is the story of Elisha ( in 2 Kings) where he
prays to god to send two bears to rend 42 children into little pieces for making fun of his bald head... ROYCE3:Royce3> I, personally, follow a gnostic system of prayer or meditation.
WATANNA:Watanna> he lives right inside of me 1CAVERAT> Maxx some of the old testament stories are not literal stories, but symbolic in nature
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> I am having trouble with one of my best friends. She has become one of those Xtians that has been swallowed up by it. Every other word
out of her mouth now is about God and I can't have a normal converstation with her. It's like she isn ** ALICIA244 just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (9 members now) **
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello, Alicia, we are talking about cults. IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> I hear that excuse quite a bit. The bible depicts something good - take it literally. The bible depicts something bad, it
becomes symbolic. DORCASQ> I know what you mean Pnerissa. KOLTA:Kolta> It is true that we have to go beyond the literalness of the Bible and search for the deeper truths in it
1CAVERAT> agree Kolta ** LORANGER just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (10 members now) ** ROYCE3:Royce3> Talk about the Xtians for a moment, Pnerissa. DORCASQ> I agree too, K
1CAVERAT> That is why we encourage study, not discourage it ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi loranger, we are talking about cults. IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> How to you discern the difference? Based on what
ideas are ethically in alignment with the status quo, perhaps? SATELLITE8> what are Xtians? WATANNA:Watanna> thats a shame Pnerissa, she must have been vulnerable WATANNA:Watanna> very true Kolta
KOLTA:Kolta> But the Church left a lot out of the Bible that we need to pay attention to also ALICIA244> physcos DORCASQ> You need to discern the difference by going inside yourself, Maxx.
WATANNA:Watanna> Its 12.15 here and I am done in PNERISSA:Pnerissa> I have tried to reach her, but it looks like I won't be able to. I don't want to take away her safety net, but I would like to find
her in there somewhere ROYCE3:Royce3> Watanna, it is good having you here, today. ROYCE3:Royce3> Pnerissa, what is an Xtian? KOLTA:Kolta> Love and light Watanna
WATANNA:Watanna> thanks Royce (apart from my spelling and typing )lol WATANNA:Watanna> thanks all :-) ROYCE3:Royce3> No problem, Watanna. PNERISSA:Pnerissa> (HUG) Watanna
1CAVERAT> Royce its on who celebrates XMAS WATANNA:Watanna> :-) PNERISSA:Pnerissa> Royce..that was just short for Christian.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> I see - so I suppose that god commanding Joshua to go into canaan and seize the land, killing everyone who resisted, is symbolic
as well??? Or just a lame excuse for genocide ORDAINED by god? WATANNA:Watanna> I celebrate Xmas, because I love the Christ ROYCE3:Royce3> Oh, thanks, Pnerissa.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Thats in the book of Joshua - chapter 1. 1CAVERAT> W, I got your meaning WATANNA:Watanna> Thanks Caverat LORANGER> hi
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Or maybe you could expound upon the divine symbolism to Pnerissa, when Paul the woman hater said in his letter to the Corinthians, "Suffer not a witch to live."
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> I have often thought that if any of that stuff in the Bible was true, then God must get a perverse pleasure in messing with people's minds ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Loranger.
LORANGER> 11 more days KOLTA:Kolta> You have a good point Maxx. I have a tendency to ignore that which I do not like in the Bble LORANGER> or 10 WATANNA:Watanna> you are right Maxx
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> That's right...burn the resident witch.... IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Symbolism my ass... SATELLITE8> Kolta's been eating tofu as well I see :)
LORANGER> and then we all will be burning 1CAVERAT> Maxx, I can't begin to explain what God had in mind. Maybe you can explain these things to me?? DORCASQ> The resident witch - ha,ha - I like that!
KOLTA:Kolta> Well, I said I was goofy WATANNA:Watanna> but remember, man took the Dead Sea Scrolls and interpreted ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, Ivondorion, you sound as though you were deeply involved
with religion. PNERISSA:Pnerissa> Pnerissa shakes Loranger's hand. WATANNA:Watanna> to threaten the masses gains power LORANGER> religon equals mind control
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Well to me, it sounds like a bunch of people using God to excuse their atrocities against their fellow human being? Anyone disagree? WATANNA:Watanna> true Loranger
DORCASQ> That is exactly what we are discussing, Loranger. LORANGER> take the catholic church ROYCE3:Royce3> Are all organized religions cults, Loranger? LORANGER> the pope LORANGER> yes
** LOZZO just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (11 members now) ** LORANGER> the cult has seen to that ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Lozzo, we are talking about cults.
WATANNA:Watanna> people have been brainwashed into mans thinking LOZZO> I see, ok LORANGER> into the cults thinking i'm afraid WATANNA:Watanna> thats true LORANGER> they pretty much have won
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> AS you can tell, I've read the bible quite a bit... That's what convinced me that we made it up... WATANNA:Watanna> ah, but alot are now awakening
LORANGER> for this plane at any rate PNERISSA:Pnerissa> I stepped back and looked at religion real hard before I took my latest path. It appears to be just brainwashing overall, especially
when you tell your flock that they should fear their God. WATANNA:Watanna> yes, to other planes LOZZO> - signed off - ROYCE3:Royce3> Has anyone here been into one of the more infamous cults?
Something other than the Baptist church? IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> BTW - for those wondering - I am an atheist. DORCASQ> Yes, a lot finally are, W. LORANGER> like i say in 10 more days or so
KOLTA:Kolta> But, we do not have to allow the cults to win. We allow them to win when we do not seek the answers in the divine within LORANGER> we will see the 4th reich officially ushered in
WATANNA:Watanna> true K LORANGER> the illuminati are coming out of the closet WATANNA:Watanna> we will see Loranger, there are also alot of very powerful light workers on Earth
LORANGER> the so-called chosen are to activated KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off - ROYCE3:Royce3> Loranger, the fourth Reich? Are you reading or following any particular source?
LORANGER> to be activated WATANNA:Watanna> Dont worry ** KOLTA:Kolta just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (10 members now) ** ROYCE3:Royce3> How many of you believe in the Illuminati?
LORANGER> the history of the cult WATANNA:Watanna> ME LORANGER> the illuminati IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Illuminati! Hah! They'd have us believe that when
we evolve, we don't become enlightened - we just come up with better excuses for our actions... KOLTA:Kolta> Do not know enough about it
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> I don't know much about it. could you explain some Royce? LORANGER> their power is in our ignorance WATANNA:Watanna> they also rule the churches DORCASQ> Who are the illuminati?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Would someone like to tell about the good things the Illuminati have done??? WATANNA:Watanna> World Governmnt LORANGER> the 13 main satanic bloodlines on the planet
LORANGER> 13 families DORCASQ> But WHO in particular? WATANNA:Watanna> cant think of any Royce, but if you know, please tell
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> illuminati is the so-called "secret government" that runs the show behind the scenes... PNERISSA:Pnerissa> Sigh ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, who are the 13 families?
LORANGER> take george bush for example KOLTA:Kolta> ditto that sigh ROYCE3:Royce3> Do you have the list handy? WATANNA:Watanna> the biggest cults of all
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> I'm not talking about a Robert Anton Wilson book or a White Wolfe RPG either... PNERISSA:Pnerissa> ; ) Kolta LORANGER> aster LORANGER> bush LORANGER> bundy
LORANGER> mellon LORANGER> duponts LORANGER> rockefellers ROYCE3:Royce3> Any Europeans? LORANGER> the royals ROYCE3:Royce3> Asians? WATANNA:Watanna> yes LORANGER> the li's
ROYCE3:Royce3> Li's???? LORANGER> they are there LORANGER> flaunting it by now folks KOLTA:Kolta> Who are here? ROYCE3:Royce3> Who are the li's????? LORANGER> all she wrote
LORANGER> oriental bloodline IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> That's only 8 ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, what about Bill Gates????? Can he qualify?
DORCASQ> What do you think they have in mind for the world, Loranger? WATANNA:Watanna> probably lol LORANGER> yes i think he is being considered
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Bill Gates doesn't need an illuminati - he can buy his own, and put it on his secret moon base... LORANGER> the one world government
DORCASQ> They already have that, don't they? IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> DuPont - the real reason marijuana has been banned... LORANGER> he is small beer when you talk illuminati
ROYCE3:Royce3> Is Clinton controlled by the one world government? WATANNA:Watanna> yes LORANGER> yes the elkhorn document IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Uh huh... For a secret govt, they sure don't seem
to be able to control anything... LORANGER> herb is good against the mind control DORCASQ> Who is Herb? WATANNA:Watanna> but they do Maxx
LORANGER> that is why they are clamping down on us potheads ROYCE3:Royce3> I want to remind you folks that we will sign off here at 7:30
PM EDT. You have been a great crowd. We will be back tomorrow at 6:00Pm EDT LORANGER> duh 1CAVERAT> Loranger, this all sounds good. What proof can you provide?
SATELLITE8> what is tomorrow's topic royce? WATANNA:Watanna> its been fantastic Royce, thankyou LORANGER> try it IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Actually - DuPont used to be the world's largest
hemp producer, they made sails for the british navy... LORANGER> the better the herb the more effective... ROYCE3:Royce3> We hope to have an open chat tomorrow. <grin> KOLTA:Kolta> Good chat Royce
WATANNA:Watanna> true Loranger ROYCE3:Royce3> Thanks, Kolta. LORANGER> so all i wish you the best DORCASQ> Yes, very good. Thanks everyone! 1CAVERAT> ROYCE, Any feedback on the ESP Test?
LORANGER> - signed off - WATANNA:Watanna> brilliant chat ROYCE3:Royce3> Thank you for stopping in Loranger. ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, it did go nicely.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Then came along Nylon, and DuPont decided unilaterally that synthetics were to replace hemp... Thus the real anti-pot conspiracy unfolds itself...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Caverat, I haven't heard any feedback. KOLTA:Kolta> It went very well WATANNA:Watanna> If I cant get on tommorrow, Happy Christams and New Year to you all
SATELLITE8> same to you Watanna! IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> The 60's movement just sped it up a bit... WATANNA:Watanna> Good night and thank you DORCASQ> Same back to you, W!
KOLTA:Kolta> Same to you Watanna ROYCE3:Royce3> Ivondorion, it has been good having you . I hope you will come back. 1CAVERAT> I can do the test when all participants can get together
WATANNA:Watanna> :-) WATANNA:Watanna> - signed off - IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> sure - is the room closing then? ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, in just a minute or so.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> have a good one then... IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> - signed off - PNERISSA:Pnerissa> I'm gonna scat too. See everyone later. <Neri takes out her broom to ride>
ROYCE3:Royce3> We will open tomorrow at 6:00 p ROYCE3:Royce3> By all. DORCASQ> See you all later. KOLTA:Kolta> :-) pnerissa ROYCE3:Royce3> - signed off -
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