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12/21/99

Cults

** KOLTA just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (2 members now) **
KOLTA:Kolta> Hello
ROYCE3:Royce3> hi
ROYCE3:Royce3> How is your day going?
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KOLTA:Kolta> How are you today?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi dorcasq.
KOLTA:Kolta> I am busy but fine
ROYCE3:Royce3> Dorcasq, we will want to post the info you emailed.
DORCASQ> Hi!
ROYCE3:Royce3> I suspect this might be a very slow day.
KOLTA:Kolta> Hi Dorcasq
DORCASQ> I was suspecting that too - Hi Kolta!
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Given all the trouble today, I'm almost surprised to have made
it.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Wantanna.
KOLTA:Kolta> The holidays are keeping people busy
WATANNA:Watanna> Hi everyone
DORCASQ> He Watanna!
ROYCE3:Royce3> I had to come on via AOL.
DORCASQ> Really, Royce, how did you do that?
KOLTA:Kolta> Why is that Royce?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Presently, I can't reach MSN
ROYCE3:Royce3> So I linked to AOL via the IM system.
KOLTA:Kolta> A glitch or something?
DORCASQ> Royce is having BIG computer problems!
ROYCE3:Royce3> I don't know what the problem has been today. Chaos with my
computer.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I hope it isn't a virus.
DORCASQ> Any computer problem is BIG to me.
WATANNA:Watanna> or an early Millenium bug
KOLTA:Kolta> And to me too, Dorcasq
ROYCE3:Royce3> I have kept my Norton antivirus system up to date. But who
knows?
DORCASQ> That is what I was thinking, W.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well I spent a lot of time but accomplished very little.
WATANNA:Watanna> lets hope we will all still be on line in the new year
ROYCE3:Royce3> A good point, Watanna.
KOLTA:Kolta> There are supposed to be a lot of bugs out there right now
DORCASQ> Yes, I still don't know what to do to my computer for Y2K.
WATANNA:Watanna> so I have heard, lets hope its a joke
KOLTA:Kolta> My computer has been Y2k tested, it should survive.
ROYCE3:Royce3> The phone circuits are heavily loaded in my corner of the
planet. The service said to try to call later a number of times today.
WATANNA:Watanna> well, mine has been tested and hopefully is ok, I am told
not to use it New Years eve
DORCASQ> Everyone doing their Xmas shopping on the internet?
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Some people were bragging to an investigative committee about
being able to bring down the internet.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi sat
WATANNA:Watanna> Hi Sat
KOLTA:Kolta> I do not trust putting my credit card on the Internet
DORCASQ> Me neither, K, I just thought maybe that is why it was so busy today.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Actually, that is probably one area that I think is safe.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Far safer than using it over the phone.
WATANNA:Watanna> the only one, I think lol
DORCASQ> I just can't believe that, royce.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, don't ever think it is hard to tap a phone.
KOLTA:Kolta> That is why it is busy. UPS is not gauranteeing anything
because the Internet has kept them so busy
WATANNA:Watanna> There is nothing big brother cannot get into these days
ROYCE3:Royce3> Big brother is sure doing their best.
KOLTA:Kolta> I agree with D and W
DORCASQ> I'm just more worried about all the "wierdos" on the internet - not
big brother.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Primarily, they put the hurts on the little people.
WATANNA:Watanna> There are so many D
WATANNA:Watanna> I bet this ufo chat is monitered
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, the internet is the wave of the future.
DORCASQ> Yes, it probably is, W.
KOLTA:Kolta> We are probably being monitored
WATANNA:Watanna> thanks Kolta, I knew I had spelled it wrong lol
DORCASQ> That doesn't bother me - they will be bored with us by now.
SATELLITE8> hi
WATANNA:Watanna> hi Sat
ROYCE3:Royce3> I have toyed with the notion of using encrypted chats. But I
fear it would confuse some of our folks.
WATANNA:Watanna> it would me
KOLTA:Kolta> Well, my typing is awful
SATELLITE8> i am busy eating tofu
WATANNA:Watanna> my spelling is worse lol
ROYCE3:Royce3> Dorcasq, they might find us more interesting than you imagine.
<grin>
ROYCE3:Royce3> Watch that tofu, Sat.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Bad for the brain, so they say.
WATANNA:Watanna> dont drop any on the keyboard Sat lol
SATELLITE8> what did you say? i am brain-damaged
DORCASQ> Did you read Royce's post, Sat, on msg. board?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Ohhhhhhh nnooooooooooo, I didn't.
SATELLITE8> yes i am scared!!!
DORCASQ> Well....too late now.
ROYCE3:Royce3> The article had a lot to say about soy products.
WATANNA:Watanna> what is it about?
WATANNA:Watanna> ok
WATANNA:Watanna> not too healthy eh!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Essentially, it says that soy products can cause brain damage.
It is a fairly complicated story. It is a bit involved to discuss here.
KOLTA:Kolta> And I used to eat Tofu quite a bit
DORCASQ> There isn't much at all we can eat that doesn't have some kind of
problem.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I think you have a good point, Dorcasq.
WATANNA:Watanna> theres always something, I agree D
DORCASQ> So I just eat what tastes good to me!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Now we have mad cow disease.
WATANNA:Watanna> same here
WATANNA:Watanna> Have you got it too?????
DORCASQ> I rely on my body to tell me if it is good for me.
KOLTA:Kolta> That is a good way of doing it D
ROYCE3:Royce3> The Mad Cow disease is scaring a lot of people in the States.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Some believe deer and elk are infected.
WATANNA:Watanna> Have you got it over there??
SATELLITE8> MAD TOFU DISEASE
ROYCE3:Royce3> Watanna, some say it is over here.
WATANNA:Watanna> lol
WATANNA:Watanna> that is awful
ROYCE3:Royce3> No one wants to admit it yet.
WATANNA:Watanna> I wonder if thats whats up with my spelling lol
DORCASQ> ha, ha
ROYCE3:Royce3> Some people have died from what seems to certainly have been
Mad Cow disease.
WATANNA:Watanna> I hope you havn't, its a terrible thing
ROYCE3:Royce3> A friend was just telling me that it is very healthy to eat
wild game. Well, he may be in for a bit of a surprise.
WATANNA:Watanna> strange how these new diseases keep popping up
DORCASQ> Yes, I have a friend who eats no meat except wild game too.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, we are feeding cows animal parts, and that is supposed
to have caused the problem.
KOLTA:Kolta> And there are more and more new diseases all the time
ROYCE3:Royce3> But who knows?
WATANNA:Watanna> makes you wonder just what is going on
DORCASQ> WHO knows is right!
ROYCE3:Royce3> The offending micro organisms are called prions and it takes a
tremendous amount of heat to kill them.
WATANNA:Watanna> think I will go to a hot climate
ROYCE3:Royce3> Present day rendering methods don't work well at killing the
prions.
KOLTA:Kolta> brb
WATANNA:Watanna> wonder where these prions came from
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, that's another question no one seems able to answer.
WATANNA:Watanna> hmmmm I wonder
DORCASQ> Maybe it is something someone just discovered - prions.
KOLTA:Kolta> Back
ROYCE3:Royce3> The UK took most of the heat, but there's little evidence that
the prions originated there.
WATANNA:Watanna> or maybe its something someone has just released
WATANNA:Watanna> yes, very strange, new diseases
DORCASQ> yes
ROYCE3:Royce3> The point is, the world is growing smaller--that is, all sorts
of diseases are just a short plane flight away.
KOLTA:Kolta> Very true
ROYCE3:Royce3> Changing weather patterns are permitting a lot of tropical
diseases to live in new areas.
WATANNA:Watanna> I agree, disease travels very fast these days
WATANNA:Watanna> The British weather has not changed enough to introduce
Prions suddenly
ROYCE3:Royce3> Look at the spread of antibiotic resistant TB. Conditions in
planes make transmission very easy.
KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off -
WATANNA:Watanna> that is so true Royce
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ROYCE3:Royce3> In order to save money the airlines don't recirculate the air
often enough.
WATANNA:Watanna> wb Kolta
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, we are paying a price.
DORCASQ> They just try to spray everyone on the plane.
KOLTA:Kolta> Thanks Watanna
WATANNA:Watanna> is that true Royce?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, Watanna, circulating the air more frequently increases
fuel consumption .
DORCASQ> The spray is probably worse than the disease they are spraying.
SATELLITE8> am I here?
ROYCE3:Royce3> That could be, Dorcasq.
WATANNA:Watanna> that is disgraceful
KOLTA:Kolta> You are here Sat.
WATANNA:Watanna> yes Sat :-)
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ROYCE3:Royce3> In point of fact, money is usually the primary concern.
SATELLITE8> how much tofu do you need to eat?
WATANNA:Watanna> always
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello, Ivondorion.
SATELLITE8> before you get goofy?
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are talking about new and strange diseases.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Hell-O people
WATANNA:Watanna> sorry Sat, its too late lol
DORCASQ> How much have you eaten, Sat, haha
SATELLITE8> not that much. How about Soy Milk?
SATELLITE8> I like Soy milk too
WATANNA:Watanna> bye Sat
WATANNA:Watanna> lol
ROYCE3:Royce3> I would guess that soy milk is bad too.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> New and strange diseases, like the Reform Party?
SATELLITE8> WELL.
KOLTA:Kolta> No wonder I am already goofy
SATELLITE8> so far my brain is just fine
WATANNA:Watanna> and me
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Soy does putrefy faster than meat...
SATELLITE8> I can spell excellent
DORCASQ> Now that is an interesting disease, Maxx.
WATANNA:Watanna> I am goofy too
SATELLITE8> I still type very fast and remember everything
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Well in Canada, Reform here isn't all that New...
SATELLITE8> however, i am goofy
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> >;->
ROYCE3:Royce3> Ivondorion, there's an interesting article posted on the
message board about soy. You might be interested in it.
WATANNA:Watanna> I reackon your ok Sat, its the rest of us
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, what's a little more brain damage among friends?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Chip, welcome.
SATELLITE8> well.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> I've read quite a bit of soy/antisoy propaganda...
I'm a nutritional consultant...
CHIP5050> hi, thanks
SATELLITE8> what was that about MAD COW DISEASE???
SATELLITE8> is that only in England?
WATANNA:Watanna> yes Sat, I must have it
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, Ivondorion, then please do read the article and give us
your viewpoint.
SATELLITE8> have you mooed lately W?
CHIP5050> - signed off -
DORCASQ> What do you think about the soy/antisoy propaganda, Maxx?
WATANNA:Watanna> yep
SATELLITE8> or given milk?
SATELLITE8> or chewed your cud?
SATELLITE8> or found that you crave grass?
WATANNA:Watanna> yep, all of those
ROYCE3:Royce3> Sat, you sound like a real farm girl.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> about as much as I think of any propaganda...
WATANNA:Watanna> lol
SATELLITE8> W you do have those big soft eyes
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> i'll stick to the facts...
WATANNA:Watanna> yep, those too I am afraid
SATELLITE8> yep. i am a wanna-be farm girl
WATANNA:Watanna> lol
SATELLITE8> is this study valid?
SATELLITE8> I just bought tofu at the co-op 2 days ago!!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Of course, it isn't easy to determine who is providing real
facts about anything. Yes, do check to see if it is a valid study.
SATELLITE8> AND SOY MILK and SOYNOG
SATELLITE8> this is a conspiracy
SATELLITE8> against the farmers who grow soybeans!
WATANNA:Watanna> I dont think we can be 100% about any food or drink
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> After all - if the study was funded by either the
milk, meat or soy producers - i'd be suspicious...
SATELLITE8> by the farmers who raise meat cattle!
SATELLITE8> veal farmers!
SATELLITE8> next it will be EGGPLANT!!
DORCASQ> That is true, Maxx.
SATELLITE8> and we are making eggplant parmesan tonight
ROYCE3:Royce3> Eggplant, I do like eggplant.
WATANNA:Watanna> so do I
SATELLITE8> but. does EGGPLANT LIKE US?
ROYCE3:Royce3> I like it cooked with soy sauce and chicken broth.
WATANNA:Watanna> The way we treat food, doubt it
SATELLITE8> or does it cause us to turn into deteriorated brain-dead folk?
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> I recommend reading "How to lie with Statistics" -
I can't remember the name of the Author off-hand...
DORCASQ> Does soy sauce have soy products in it, Royce? haha
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, statistics, certainly, can lie.
SATELLITE8> yes it does.
SATELLITE8> it is made from fermented soy!
KOLTA:Kolta> Statistics can be manipulated any way you want them to go
SATELLITE8> what about JAPAN???
ROYCE3:Royce3> AHHHHHHHHHHh, I can't remember your question,
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU. <grin>
SATELLITE8> THEY eat tons of soy!
DORCASQ> I didn't know that, Sat, never thought about it being connected.
hmmm.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Sat , one of the studys was done in Japan.
SATELLITE8> they are very smart there
ROYCE3:Royce3> Japanese men are the ones having the problem.
ROYCE3:Royce3> That prompted the study, I think.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello Caverat, welcome.
SATELLITE8> this is just bunk
1CAVERAT> better late than never, hi all
WATANNA:Watanna> hi Caverat
SATELLITE8> hi
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Yeah right, the Japanese are the one's who brought
us Sailor Moon and POkemon - talk about brains turning to mush...
ROYCE3:Royce3> I'm glad you are convinced of that, Sat.
SATELLITE8> do you eat tofu?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Who?
SATELLITE8> YOU!@!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Too expensive.
KOLTA:Kolta> If it is only the Japanese who are affected, maybe it is a
problem unique only to the Japanese
SATELLITE8> well what do you eat then?
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Pokemon is definitely a product of soy induced
brain atrophy... >;->
WATANNA:Watanna> I think that most foods and drinks are contaminated in some
way
ROYCE3:Royce3> You can buy meat and die of Mad Cow disease. Cheaper than tofu.
WATANNA:Watanna> if not all
SATELLITE8> there are parts of cockroaches in chocolate
DORCASQ> Agree with you there, Maxx.
SATELLITE8> Royce.
SATELLITE8> you are scaring me.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Wattana, you are right. It is just a question of how badly
they are contaminated, not if they are.
WATANNA:Watanna> thats for sure
SATELLITE8> I am going to turn anorexic again!!!
SATELLITE8> safer that way.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Not chocolate made here in Calgary... No
cockroaches here...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Skinny people live the longest.
DORCASQ> Sure, Sat.
SATELLITE8> well then I am safe.
SATELLITE8> I am not skinny so I won't live long enough for my brain to get
that bad!!!
SATELLITE8> NYAYH!
DORCASQ> They can import the cockroaches to Calgary, Maxx.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Just hold on to that belief, Ivondorion.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Good Luck... Who's "they" anyways?
SATELLITE8> do you think that is why i had a headache today?
DORCASQ> They - the cockroach putter inners.
WATANNA:Watanna> no Sat, the headache was probably from breathing in the air
lol
ROYCE3:Royce3> Lots of protein in cockroaches.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> what - you figure were due for invasion from the
viscious Prarie Cockroach or something???
WATANNA:Watanna> lol
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> oops - that's Prairie Cockroach...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, maybe we should turn to the topic for today--cults.
WATANNA:Watanna> ok
KOLTA:Kolta> Good
1CAVERAT> ok
DORCASQ> I don't seriously believe this about the cockroaches, just going
with the flow.
KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off -
1CAVERAT> iwas gettin hungry
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> like christianity before Constantine legalized it???
ROYCE3:Royce3> How many of you have ever belonged to a cult?
WATANNA:Watanna> not me
SATELLITE8> oh no. I read that the US GOVERNMENT ALLOWS SO MANY PARTS PER
MILLION OF COCKROACHES IN CHOCOLATE!!!
1CAVERAT> no
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, Christianity is called a cult by some.
DORCASQ> I never have.
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SATELLITE8> not knowingly
SATELLITE8> wb K
WATANNA:Watanna> I am a free spirit
KOLTA:Kolta> Thanks Sat.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Dorcasq, how about posting the definition of a cult?
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> I was Mormon for a couple of weeks - before I
learned they practice Black Magick...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Ivondorian, you actually joined the church?
SATELLITE8> Scrye says hi and he is not by a computer so he won't be on
tonight
ROYCE3:Royce3> Tell him I said hi, too.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Yep... it was during a brief psychotic episode in
1992...
KOLTA:Kolta> I am waving to Scrye
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> but i'm much better now... >;->
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, what were you ingesting at that time?
SATELLITE8> ok
DORCASQ> Do you consider the Mormans to be a cult?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Who?
SATELLITE8> he was ingesting tofu
ROYCE3:Royce3> Dorcasq, are you going to post the info?
SATELLITE8> what do you think
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> i consider all organized religion an insult to
people who can think for themselves.
WATANNA:Watanna> I am not a part of any religion, they are all cults.
SATELLITE8> even Buddhism?
DORCASQ> Ok I will, Royce, if you want me to do it now?
KOLTA:Kolta> I agree Maxx
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Post.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> but there ok for people who like to be told what
truth is and how to find it...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Now, we will get an official definition of a cult from Dorcasq.
WATANNA:Watanna> parts of all religion Sat are controlling
DORCASQ> Ten characteristics of what makes a cult:
DORCASQ> 1. Idolatry of a single charismatic leader
DORCASQ> 2. A revered inner circle
DORCASQ> Not even the most ambitious charismatic leader can single-handedly
manage an
DORCASQ> organization beyond a certain size. Generally, all large cults
have an inner circle of
DORCASQ> members who are revered by others almost as much as the leader.
They are held in
DORCASQ> awe; they are feared; they are envied; they are gossiped about.
DORCASQ> 3. Secrecy of management
DORCASQ> Cult leaders do not maintain even the pretense of
accountability for their actions.
DORCASQ> 4. Financial Evasiveness
DORCASQ> 5. Dependency
DORCASQ> Perhaps the major reason cults are justifiably feared is that their
authoritarian leadership nurtures the dependency of the followers. Rather
than encouraging their followers to become a group of
DORCASQ> all leaders, cults tend to discourage the capacity of their members
to think for themselves.
DORCASQ> 6. Conformity
DORCASQ> 7. Special Language
DORCASQ> A set of words that have a special meaning to them often
incomprehensible to people outside the organization.
DORCASQ> 8. Dogmatic doctrine
DORCASQ> 9. Heresy
DORCASQ> 10. God in captivity
DORCASQ> In their skewed relationship to God and their satisfaction with
dogmatism, cults feel that they have God all sewn up. They have captured God.
***Quoted from Scott Peck's book Further Along the Road Less Traveled ***
DORCASQ> Did it post?
WATANNA:Watanna> yes D
DORCASQ> My screen is frozen.
DORCASQ> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> Dorcasq pays a price each time she posts this stuff.
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WATANNA:Watanna> is anyone there?
SATELLITE8> me and emily just saw that movie DOGMA on saturday
WATANNA:Watanna> ok
ROYCE3:Royce3> You did it Dorcasq
DORCASQ> I'm back, what happened?
SATELLITE8> it was pretty weird
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are here.
WATANNA:Watanna> wb D
SATELLITE8> Alannis Morisette was GOD
DORCASQ> thanks
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Dogma = AM GOD backwards...
KOLTA:Kolta> I saw dogma also
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, how would you folks feel if one of your family joined,
say, Heaven's Gate?
WATANNA:Watanna> I think people are so lost, they join to feel a part of life
and try to find its meaning
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> not if you've heared Alanis Morrisette stuff before
Jagged Little Pill - you know the Debbie Gibson era...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Now who was Alanis Morrisette?
SATELLITE8> Singer from Canada
WATANNA:Watanna> Theres a perfect example of mans ego Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> How's that, Watanna?
KOLTA:Kolta> Are we staying on topic?
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Being Canadian - I remember that and her "You Can't
do that on Television" days. Watching a 10 year old Alanis getting
Green-Slimed is almost worth the agony of having to hear her sing...
ROYCE3:Royce3> I'm not sure? Who is Alanis Morrisette?
WATANNA:Watanna> When the forces show themselves to people, their ego can
sometimes get in the way and they become whom they are supposed to be
worshipping
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, have any of you followed closely the WACO business?
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Cool - I worship my own reflection - so does that
mean I am to become myself???
ROYCE3:Royce3> A lot of folks are still upset over that incident.
WATANNA:Watanna> yes I did Royce, and there the ego said he was Christ
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> The WACO business - I saw it burn down on TV...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, what conclusions do you draw from the WACO incident,
Ivondorion?
WATANNA:Watanna> people are so lost these days they follow to learn, but mans
ego rules
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Maxx's definition of Doomsday Cults: God's way of
weeding out the Stupid.
KOLTA:Kolta> Very good Maxx
DORCASQ> That is an interesting definition, Maxx.
WATANNA:Watanna> there is a differnece between being stupid and being lost
ROYCE3:Royce3> So are we to conclude that all cults are bad, without
exception?
WATANNA:Watanna> yes
KOLTA:Kolta> yes
1CAVERAT> I would agree with that Royce
DORCASQ> I don't know, but the word cult just makes me think it is bad.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> only the one's that tell you what truth is and what
you should think...
WATANNA:Watanna> most do
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, what about yogis with their students?
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> guess they iz bad then...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Cult--it's a loaded word.
KOLTA:Kolta> But do yogis try to control their students?
DORCASQ> If cults control people's mind, they have to be bad I think.
ROYCE3:Royce3> One person's cult could, I suppose, be another person's school.
WATANNA:Watanna> The trouble is man has defined religion to his own ways
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Depends - some gurus feel they have the rights to
take advantage of students - even sexual harassment isn't unheard of... The
only good dictator, IMHO, is a dead dictator...
DORCASQ> And I don't believe in worshipping any person.
WATANNA:Watanna> I always say to people follow no man, follow your inner truth
ROYCE3:Royce3> Would a witch's coven be a cult?
DORCASQ> Well said, W.
WATANNA:Watanna> yes Royce
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> some are, royce...
KOLTA:Kolta> I agree, well said, Watanna
ROYCE3:Royce3> Pnerissa, should be here. She is a witch.
DORCASQ> But we don't worship Pnerissa.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> I used to be wiccan too - yet another psychotic
episode...
ROYCE3:Royce3> We don't. I'm not sure about others.

WATANNA:Watanna> If I wanted to, and my ego was such that I had no faith in
man finding his own path, then I could start a cult
WATANNA:Watanna> it is that easy
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> what do we even need a path for - what's wrong with
aimless wandering?
DORCASQ> I believe that, W. So many people want someone to lead them.
ROYCE3:Royce3> It does seem that certain people have a talent for starting
cults.
WATANNA:Watanna> there are so many lost people out there, who are afraid
KOLTA:Kolta> Or no faith in finding your own in, then you could start a
culter truth
KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off -
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> someone has to - otherwise they wouldn't exist.
1CAVERAT> Watanna, you are right. Anyone can start a cult, but not anyone can
start a true religion
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, that is true, Watanna. Might cults be good for weak
people?
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Maybe some people need to be cared for.
KOLTA:Kolta> Cults look for those who are vulnerable
DORCASQ> What is a true religion, caverat?
ROYCE3:Royce3> The Christian right raves on and on about the evils of cults.
WATANNA:Watanna> no Royce, I advise people, and then they go their own way
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> it preys upon the vulnerable as well.
KOLTA:Kolta> That is what i said Maxx
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> doh!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Caverat, can you tell us the difference between a true
religion and a cult?
KOLTA:Kolta> The Christian right can be a cult
1CAVERAT> That which encourages worship of a spiritual being, ie God and not
promotion of a "church" here on earth
ROYCE3:Royce3> Good point, Kolta.
ROYCE3:Royce3> But they don't consider themselves such.
DORCASQ> The catholic church meets a lot of the criteria for a cult.
1CAVERAT> agree D
SATELLITE8> BINGO!!!
WATANNA:Watanna> I worship a Spiritual bing, but I am not in a Cult
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Oh yeah, I always figured it would be a right wing
fundamentalist that would start WWIII. Like a Southern Baptist President or
something...
SATELLITE8> they play BINGO!
ROYCE3:Royce3> How about the Baptists, Caverat?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Are they a cult or a true religion?
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> I worship Bing too... And Fred Astaire, Ginger
Rogers, George and Gracie Burns...
SATELLITE8> HAHAHA
1CAVERAT> I am one, Royce. But we worship God and essentially have no
earthly leaders
KOLTA:Kolta> Religion has cult like attributes. It is organized by people
and is different from spirituality
WATANNA:Watanna> thanks Maxx, just what I needed
SATELLITE8> You forgot Gene Kelly
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> >;->
DORCASQ> Some big corporations have been thought of as being cults (IBM for
example).
ROYCE3:Royce3> Ivondorion, would you consider becoming a Baptist?
WATANNA:Watanna> right Kolta
1CAVERAT> Believers are not coerced into joining and are free to leave at any
time
WATANNA:Watanna> religion and cults build walls
DORCASQ> That is true, Caverat.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Good point, Caverat.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Sure I would - right after I gave head to, then
swallowed the load off of a .357 Magnum...
1CAVERAT> We encourage study of God's teachings for yourself
1CAVERAT> Not something dictated from a leader
1CAVERAT> figure of some type
DORCASQ> That sounds good to me, Cave.
KOLTA:Kolta> Very good Caverat
ROYCE3:Royce3> Gee, Ivondorion, you have to be clearer about what you mean.
By the way, if you are in Canada, where are you going to get a 357 mag?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes a 357. slug would hurt.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> from one of the Army Bases...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Damn, I thought gun control worked.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> didn't you know that the occurance of violent
crimes using a weapon is inversely proportional to how strongly guns are
controlled???
ROYCE3:Royce3> REALLY? You mean there's crime in Australia?
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> For example, in England gun control measures were
implemented in 1988. In the eleven years since then - violent crime with a
weapon has increased 70%, and violent crime with a hangun has increased
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> 110%... No Bull...
WATANNA:Watanna> thats why cults are armed to the teeth
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, Ivondorion, we are in complete agreement on the gun
control issue.
1CAVERAT> In most cases regarding weapons in cults, they have been used
against their own members
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Conversely, Muggins in Florida are low, because its
legal to carry conceled weapons there...
KOLTA:Kolta> That is why we cannot change things with outer rules and
regulations
1CAVERAT> to control them
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Muggings - that is...
KOLTA:Kolta> People need to change inwardly
ROYCE3:Royce3> It is true that the various police agencies are very worried
about millennium violence.
WATANNA:Watanna> K
ROYCE3:Royce3> Cults are being watched closely, they say.
WATANNA:Watanna> This is what happens when truth is kept from the masses
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Also - 10% of robberies in the US are HOT (meaning
a victim is home). In Canada, where the government has taken away our rights
to protect ourselves, HOT robberies acount for 40%...
SATELLITE8> yes. the truth about tofu!
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Cool - Yay Anarchy! Hail Chaos! Hail Eris! Hail
Chthulu! Ia! Ia! Iao!
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello, Pnerissa, we are talking about cults.
WATANNA:Watanna> we have people running about like chickens with their heads
cut off, not knowing what or who to believe
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> thank you. I was wondering about the topic
ROYCE3:Royce3> So Pnerissa, do you lead a cult?
KOLTA:Kolta> People need to learn to trust their own inner truth
WATANNA:Watanna> K
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> hahahah..no
DORCASQ> Yes, K.
SATELLITE8> well, do you eat tofu?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Caverat is a baptist; some say he would be a cult. I don't
agree.
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> Unless wanting to lead my own harem of men counts...
WATANNA:Watanna> lol
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> And what about schizophrenics, whose inner truth
can tell them to be paranoid?
WATANNA:Watanna> any religion that says this is right and you are wrong, is a
cult
ROYCE3:Royce3> What about people who worship entertainers? Take the Beatles,
the Doors, etc.
DORCASQ> I think some schizophrenics are more in touch with their inner truth
than "sane" people.
SATELLITE8> right D!
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> David Duchovny
WATANNA:Watanna> never worshipped anyone Royce
KOLTA:Kolta> Correct D
ROYCE3:Royce3> Who is David Duchovny?
WATANNA:Watanna> right D
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> Fox Mulder from the X-Files
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Could be - but try to tell that to the FBI - who
have a composite EEG of a "normal" person, compiled from about 50 000 "status
quo" citizens...
WATANNA:Watanna> Ex-Files, but I dont worship him
ROYCE3:Royce3> Oh, yes, I know who you mean.
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> I can't believe you don't know that one... Mr.
Extraterrestrial hunter himself
ROYCE3:Royce3> People worship him, Pnerissa?
WATANNA:Watanna> dont trust the FBI
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, I don't have TV.
ROYCE3:Royce3> So most of those on TV, I won't know.
SATELLITE8> a lot of TV sucks.
ROYCE3:Royce3> But I have seen and enjoyed the x files.
WATANNA:Watanna> you aint missing much lol
1CAVERAT> Regarding Christianity and cults, Christianity cannot be considered
a cult since the founder of Christianity himself, (Jesus Christ) did not even
require people to follow him. Any are free to leave
1CAVERAT> at any time if they decide to do so. They can base this decision
on their own study of the Bible or any other source. A cult would attempt to
control where you get your information and thus coerce
1CAVERAT> you to stay by providing you with false or misleading information.
SATELLITE8> Dharma and Greg is good!
SATELLITE8> Funny!
KOLTA:Kolta> But I do not think it was Christ's intention to start a religion
1CAVERAT> agree
DORCASQ> Most religions make people believe they will just "go to hell" if
they leave the religious group.
WATANNA:Watanna> Christ is a Master
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Sorry, but I still cannot abide by any consensual
beleif system (basically where people base "truth" on what ideas are most
popular, a lot of pagan groups fall into this trap).
1CAVERAT> He wanted followers of him, not a church
WATANNA:Watanna> man then took over
KOLTA:Kolta> Correct Caverat
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> I hate to discuss religion because it usually winds up
going badly. I don't think christianity as a whole is a cult, but there are
groups of them that go too far and I would consider them cult-like
KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, I guess, I
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1CAVERAT> Maxx, If you take the Bible literally, (from original text) it has
not changed in 2000 years
ROYCE3:Royce3> am close to Pnerissa's position.
DORCASQ> You are right, Pnerissa.
WATANNA:Watanna> when people take up arms againt each other in the name of,
then that is a cult
1CAVERAT> regardless of what is currently "popular"
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Presuming the XIans are right - I wonder what it
would be like if we discovered that there is no heaven. Wouldn't it be funny
if everyone just ended up in everyone else's hell???
WATANNA:Watanna> there were beliefs before the bible
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Caverat - I've read the bible more than you might
beleive...
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> lol.
KOLTA:Kolta> And the Bible was put toether by the Church
ROYCE3:Royce3> Does everyone here believe in God?
ROYCE3:Royce3> I do.
WATANNA:Watanna> and the church was put together by....man
KOLTA:Kolta> What is left out says a lot too
1CAVERAT> yes
DORCASQ> Yes - MAN wrote the bible.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> The story about David killing 200 phoenician's,
then bringing their foreskins back to win the hand of Saul's daughter struck
me as a little odd...
SATELLITE8> yes
WATANNA:Watanna> yes, I beleive
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> So is the story of Elisha ( in 2 Kings) where he
prays to god to send two bears to rend 42 children into little pieces for
making fun of his bald head...
ROYCE3:Royce3> I, personally, follow a gnostic system of prayer or meditation.
WATANNA:Watanna> he lives right inside of me
1CAVERAT> Maxx some of the old testament stories are not literal stories, but
symbolic in nature
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> I am having trouble with one of my best friends. She has
become one of those Xtians that has been swallowed up by it. Every other word
out of her mouth now is about God and I can't have a normal converstation
with her. It's like she isn
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello, Alicia, we are talking about cults.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> I hear that excuse quite a bit. The bible depicts
something good - take it literally. The bible depicts something bad, it
becomes symbolic.
DORCASQ> I know what you mean Pnerissa.
KOLTA:Kolta> It is true that we have to go beyond the literalness of the
Bible and search for the deeper truths in it
1CAVERAT> agree Kolta
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Talk about the Xtians for a moment, Pnerissa.
DORCASQ> I agree too, K
1CAVERAT> That is why we encourage study, not discourage it
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi loranger, we are talking about cults.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> How to you discern the difference? Based on what
ideas are ethically in alignment with the status quo, perhaps?
SATELLITE8> what are Xtians?
WATANNA:Watanna> thats a shame Pnerissa, she must have been vulnerable
WATANNA:Watanna> very true Kolta
KOLTA:Kolta> But the Church left a lot out of the Bible that we need to pay
attention to also
ALICIA244> physcos
DORCASQ> You need to discern the difference by going inside yourself, Maxx.
WATANNA:Watanna> Its 12.15 here and I am done in
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> I have tried to reach her, but it looks like I won't be
able to. I don't want to take away her safety net, but I would like to find
her in there somewhere
ROYCE3:Royce3> Watanna, it is good having you here, today.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Pnerissa, what is an Xtian?
KOLTA:Kolta> Love and light Watanna
WATANNA:Watanna> thanks Royce (apart from my spelling and typing )lol
WATANNA:Watanna> thanks all :-)
ROYCE3:Royce3> No problem, Watanna.
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> (HUG) Watanna
1CAVERAT> Royce its on who celebrates XMAS
WATANNA:Watanna> :-)
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> Royce..that was just short for Christian.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> I see - so I suppose that god commanding Joshua to
go into canaan and seize the land, killing everyone who resisted, is symbolic
as well??? Or just a lame excuse for genocide ORDAINED by god?
WATANNA:Watanna> I celebrate Xmas, because I love the Christ
ROYCE3:Royce3> Oh, thanks, Pnerissa.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Thats in the book of Joshua - chapter 1.
1CAVERAT> W, I got your meaning
WATANNA:Watanna> Thanks Caverat
LORANGER> hi
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Or maybe you could expound upon the divine
symbolism to Pnerissa, when Paul the woman hater said in his letter to the
Corinthians, "Suffer not a witch to live."
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> I have often thought that if any of that stuff in the
Bible was true, then God must get a perverse pleasure in messing with
people's minds
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Loranger.
LORANGER> 11 more days
KOLTA:Kolta> You have a good point Maxx. I have a tendency to ignore that
which I do not like in the Bble
LORANGER> or 10
WATANNA:Watanna> you are right Maxx
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> That's right...burn the resident witch....
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Symbolism my ass...
SATELLITE8> Kolta's been eating tofu as well I see :)
LORANGER> and then we all will be burning
1CAVERAT> Maxx, I can't begin to explain what God had in mind. Maybe you can
explain these things to me??
DORCASQ> The resident witch - ha,ha - I like that!
KOLTA:Kolta> Well, I said I was goofy
WATANNA:Watanna> but remember, man took the Dead Sea Scrolls and interpreted
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, Ivondorion, you sound as though you were deeply involved
with religion.
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> Pnerissa shakes Loranger's hand.
WATANNA:Watanna> to threaten the masses gains power
LORANGER> religon equals mind control
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Well to me, it sounds like a bunch of people using
God to excuse their atrocities against their fellow human being? Anyone
disagree?
WATANNA:Watanna> true Loranger
DORCASQ> That is exactly what we are discussing, Loranger.
LORANGER> take the catholic church
ROYCE3:Royce3> Are all organized religions cults, Loranger?
LORANGER> the pope
LORANGER> yes
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LORANGER> the cult has seen to that
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Lozzo, we are talking about cults.
WATANNA:Watanna> people have been brainwashed into mans thinking
LOZZO> I see, ok
LORANGER> into the cults thinking i'm afraid
WATANNA:Watanna> thats true
LORANGER> they pretty much have won
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> AS you can tell, I've read the bible quite a bit...
That's what convinced me that we made it up...
WATANNA:Watanna> ah, but alot are now awakening
LORANGER> for this plane at any rate
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> I stepped back and looked at religion real hard before I
took my latest path. It appears to be just brainwashing overall, especially
when you tell your flock that they should fear their God.
WATANNA:Watanna> yes, to other planes
LOZZO> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> Has anyone here been into one of the more infamous cults?
Something other than the Baptist church?
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> BTW - for those wondering - I am an atheist.
DORCASQ> Yes, a lot finally are, W.
LORANGER> like i say in 10 more days or so
KOLTA:Kolta> But, we do not have to allow the cults to win. We allow them to
win when we do not seek the answers in the divine within
LORANGER> we will see the 4th reich officially ushered in
WATANNA:Watanna> true K
LORANGER> the illuminati are coming out of the closet
WATANNA:Watanna> we will see Loranger, there are also alot of very powerful
light workers on Earth
LORANGER> the so-called chosen are to activated
KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> Loranger, the fourth Reich? Are you reading or following any
particular source?
LORANGER> to be activated
WATANNA:Watanna> Dont worry
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ROYCE3:Royce3> How many of you believe in the Illuminati?
LORANGER> the history of the cult
WATANNA:Watanna> ME
LORANGER> the illuminati
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Illuminati! Hah! They'd have us believe that when
we evolve, we don't become enlightened - we just come up with better excuses
for our actions...
KOLTA:Kolta> Do not know enough about it
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> I don't know much about it. could you explain some Royce?
LORANGER> their power is in our ignorance
WATANNA:Watanna> they also rule the churches
DORCASQ> Who are the illuminati?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Would someone like to tell about the good things the
Illuminati have done???
WATANNA:Watanna> World Governmnt
LORANGER> the 13 main satanic bloodlines on the planet
LORANGER> 13 families
DORCASQ> But WHO in particular?
WATANNA:Watanna> cant think of any Royce, but if you know, please tell
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> illuminati is the so-called "secret government"
that runs the show behind the scenes...
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> Sigh
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, who are the 13 families?
LORANGER> take george bush for example
KOLTA:Kolta> ditto that sigh
ROYCE3:Royce3> Do you have the list handy?
WATANNA:Watanna> the biggest cults of all
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> I'm not talking about a Robert Anton Wilson book or
a White Wolfe RPG either...
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> ; ) Kolta
LORANGER> aster
LORANGER> bush
LORANGER> bundy
LORANGER> mellon
LORANGER> duponts
LORANGER> rockefellers
ROYCE3:Royce3> Any Europeans?
LORANGER> the royals
ROYCE3:Royce3> Asians?
WATANNA:Watanna> yes
LORANGER> the li's
ROYCE3:Royce3> Li's????
LORANGER> they are there
LORANGER> flaunting it by now folks
KOLTA:Kolta> Who are here?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Who are the li's?????
LORANGER> all she wrote
LORANGER> oriental bloodline
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> That's only 8
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, what about Bill Gates????? Can he qualify?
DORCASQ> What do you think they have in mind for the world, Loranger?
WATANNA:Watanna> probably lol
LORANGER> yes i think he is being considered
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Bill Gates doesn't need an illuminati - he can buy
his own, and put it on his secret moon base...
LORANGER> the one world government
DORCASQ> They already have that, don't they?
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> DuPont - the real reason marijuana has been
banned...
LORANGER> he is small beer when you talk illuminati
ROYCE3:Royce3> Is Clinton controlled by the one world government?
WATANNA:Watanna> yes
LORANGER> yes the elkhorn document
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Uh huh... For a secret govt, they sure don't seem
to be able to control anything...
LORANGER> herb is good against the mind control
DORCASQ> Who is Herb?
WATANNA:Watanna> but they do Maxx
LORANGER> that is why they are clamping down on us potheads
ROYCE3:Royce3> I want to remind you folks that we will sign off here at 7:30
PM EDT. You have been a great crowd. We will be back tomorrow at 6:00Pm EDT
LORANGER> duh
1CAVERAT> Loranger, this all sounds good. What proof can you provide?
SATELLITE8> what is tomorrow's topic royce?
WATANNA:Watanna> its been fantastic Royce, thankyou
LORANGER> try it
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Actually - DuPont used to be the world's largest
hemp producer, they made sails for the british navy...
LORANGER> the better the herb the more effective...
ROYCE3:Royce3> We hope to have an open chat tomorrow. <grin>
KOLTA:Kolta> Good chat Royce
WATANNA:Watanna> true Loranger
ROYCE3:Royce3> Thanks, Kolta.
LORANGER> so all i wish you the best
DORCASQ> Yes, very good. Thanks everyone!
1CAVERAT> ROYCE, Any feedback on the ESP Test?
LORANGER> - signed off -
WATANNA:Watanna> brilliant chat
ROYCE3:Royce3> Thank you for stopping in Loranger.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, it did go nicely.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> Then came along Nylon, and DuPont decided
unilaterally that synthetics were to replace hemp... Thus the real anti-pot
conspiracy unfolds itself...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Caverat, I haven't heard any feedback.
KOLTA:Kolta> It went very well
WATANNA:Watanna> If I cant get on tommorrow, Happy Christams and New Year to
you all
SATELLITE8> same to you Watanna!
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> The 60's movement just sped it up a bit...
WATANNA:Watanna> Good night and thank you
DORCASQ> Same back to you, W!
KOLTA:Kolta> Same to you Watanna
ROYCE3:Royce3> Ivondorion, it has been good having you . I hope you will come
back.
1CAVERAT> I can do the test when all participants can get together
WATANNA:Watanna> :-)
WATANNA:Watanna> - signed off -
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> sure - is the room closing then?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, in just a minute or so.
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> have a good one then...
IVONDORION:Maxx Heddruum> - signed off -
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> I'm gonna scat too. See everyone later. <Neri takes out
her broom to ride>
ROYCE3:Royce3> We will open tomorrow at 6:00 p
ROYCE3:Royce3> By all.
DORCASQ> See you all later.
KOLTA:Kolta> :-) pnerissa
ROYCE3:Royce3> - signed off -
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