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ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Dorcasq. DORCASQ> Hey! ** JEFFLOVE999 just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (3 members now) ** ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Jeff. ROYCE3:Royce3> How is everyone today?
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> Hi JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> ok DORCASQ> I'm fine, You? ROYCE3:Royce3> It's still a bit cold out. DORCASQ> Enough of this snow already!
ROYCE3:Royce3> I had to go to the library a few minutes ago to return a book. It was nippy. DORCASQ> It was beautiful on sunday but it gets old fast.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, a little snow goes a long way with me. JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> the weather will improve after Weds ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, that is what they are saying. The snow should melt.
DORCASQ> Yes, I've been hearing that. DORCASQ> Can't keep my driveway cleared. ROYCE3:Royce3> There is a bit more ice than usual. DORCASQ> Yeah ROYCE3:Royce3> It is sure quiet here.
DORCASQ> Sure is! JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> this is typical of Jan ROYCE3:Royce3> Jeff, you must be insulting people. What have you said? DORCASQ> They are all afraid that Jeff is too WISE for them.
ROYCE3:Royce3> That may well be the case. DORCASQ> But I know better, ha, ha, ah ha JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> Most people are into Dame Folly!!!
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Joasha. SATELLITE8:Satellite8> hello JOASHA:Joasha> howdy ROYCE3:Royce3> We were just talking about the weather. ROYCE3:Royce3> Not nice at all.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> there is definitely weather DORCASQ> There is that, Sat. JOASHA:Joasha> yeah.....we have weather here also DORCASQ> Really, Joasha?
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> its not so bad here DORCASQ> We have a temperature here too. ROYCE3:Royce3> Should we start by discussing our proposed time changes?
JOASHA:Joasha> just lots of snow, but then it is winter here JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> we can call ourselves weather chat ** KOLTA just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (6 members now) **
ROYCE3:Royce3> Folks how would it suit you to have next week's Wednesday's chat at 7:00 EDT? ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi kolta KOLTA:Kolta> Hi all! JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> ok with me
DORCASQ> OK with me too. KOLTA:Kolta> Fine with me! ROYCE3:Royce3> Sat? Joasha? SATELLITE8:Satellite8> i read jeff's stuff JOASHA:Joasha> what ever. seldom get to do the wed. chat
ROYCE3:Royce3> Is the new time all right with you Sat? SATELLITE8:Satellite8> yes SATELLITE8:Satellite8> even better ** 1CAVERAT just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (7 members now) **
ROYCE3:Royce3> All right, now that will be for next week, not this week. ROYCE3:Royce3> Caverat, hi. SATELLITE8:Satellite8> ok
ROYCE3:Royce3> Caverat, next week's Wednesdays chat will start at 7:00 edt. ROYCE3:Royce3> Tuesday chats will stay at 6:00 edt. ** KKKEITH just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (8 members now) **
1CAVERAT> - signed off - ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi kkkeith ** 1CAVERAT just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (8 members now) ** KKKEITH> hi. looked like an interesting topic. may i watch?
1CAVERAT> - signed off - ROYCE3:Royce3> You are most welcome to take part, KKKeith. KOLTA:Kolta> Maybe we need tape to keep Caverat in here this time DORCASQ> Yes, maybe
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> i can supply the duct tape KKKEITH> don't know much about it. ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, he has to work during the chats. That is probably the problem.
** 1CAVERAT just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (8 members now) ** KOLTA:Kolta> Thaks Sat! DORCASQ> Neither do we, KKK. ROYCE3:Royce3> KKKeith, did you have a chance to see the articles on the web
site? JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> wb caverat 1CAVERAT> - signed off - ROYCE3:Royce3> There are three articles dealing with the subject.
KKKEITH> i just popped in here out of curiosity. was going to a game :) KKKEITH> where's the web site? I'll have a look. ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, I'm glad you stopped in. What sort
ROYCE3:Royce3> of game? SATELLITE8:Satellite8> welcome! DORCASQ> Where are you from KKK? KKKEITH> scramble ROYCE3:Royce3> Oh, I see. KKKEITH> i'm living in Australia, but i'm american
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> julie is watching the strangest movie in here called Space Truckers DORCASQ> Wow! ROYCE3:Royce3> What is the time down under? DORCASQ> Wow for Australia
KKKEITH> 10:15 a.m. Wed KOLTA:Kolta> It is tomorrow already!!!! KKKEITH> no, it's today :) DORCASQ> That is so hard to imagine! KKKEITH> you're just in yesterday
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, we have just changed our times for these chats; maybe this is a good time for people in Australia. KOLTA:Kolta> I will buy that kkkeith!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Is there much interest in the paranormal and UFOs in Australia, KKK? KKKEITH> it's weird, when I fly home (Florida) I lose a day crossing the
int'nat'l date line but get the day back flying back DORCASQ> Yes, that is weird KKKEITH> I've got a friend who attends conferences here periodically. He gave me a book to read.
KKKEITH> don't ask the title, i don't remember. ** 1CAVERAT just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (8 members now) ** ROYCE3:Royce3> What sort of work are you doing, if I may ask. 1CAVERAT> FFF ghf
ROYCE3:Royce3> kkk 1CAVERAT> test KOLTA:Kolta> Tape Caverat in! 1CAVERAT> hi all KOLTA:Kolta> So he stays DORCASQ> What are you testing, Cave, your patience?
KKKEITH> I'm a court reporter by profession, but not working right now. Spend a lot of time with my horses. 1CAVERAT> this new apple junk ROYCE3:Royce3> Very good, KKK.
KOLTA:Kolta> Apple, junk??????? SATELLITE8:Satellite8> apple sauce? 1CAVERAT> :-) ROYCE3:Royce3> KKK, do you have any special interest in UFOs or the paranormal? DORCASQ> How many horses?
KKKEITH> 2, horse and pony. DORCASQ> That is so nice - I love horses! KOLTA:Kolta> Horses are beautiful animals KKKEITH> and i'm interested
ROYCE3:Royce3> I've been told that Australia is like the U.S. was in the fifties, is that so, KKK? 1CAVERAT> what's the topi$%&HHT( KKKEITH> Yes, only they do have AC and cell phones
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes KKKEITH> :) 1CAVERAT> - signed off - ROYCE3:Royce3> Caverat does seem to be having his troubles. KOLTA:Kolta> Poor Caverat
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, we probably should try to get on topic. ** 1CAVERAT just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (8 members now) ** DORCASQ> How about the prayer list...anyone?
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> i thought the topic was JEFF KOLTA:Kolta> wb caverat JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> wb caverat KKKEITH> so you've got all the modern conveniences, but still a lifestyle of the 60s.
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are going to be discussing the paths one might take in order to gain wisdom--enlightenment. 1CAVERAT> I think I will go back to my computer. later all!!
KKKEITH> sorry cave, i came in and discombobulated everything. SATELLITE8:Satellite8> nah this stuff always happens SATELLITE8:Satellite8> usually its jeff having problems or Kolta
ROYCE3:Royce3> No, not really, KKK. ROYCE3:Royce3> Caverat is, I think, more interested.... ROYCE3:Royce3> in the .... ROYCE3:Royce3> nuts and bolts of ufology.
DORCASQ> Additions or subtractions to prayer list? ** KJCB just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (9 members now) ** ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello KJCB, welcome. KJCB> hi all
KKKEITH> i think i'll head on over the scramble. Bye folks! KKKEITH> - signed off - ROYCE3:Royce3> Anyway, let's start with Jeff's topic. We will see where it will lead. 1CAVERAT> - signed off -
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> hi kjcb KJCB> hi jeff ROYCE3:Royce3> How many of you have ever attended any sort of school for enlightenment? How many are involved with various organizations dedicated to
the "path?" DORCASQ> No schools, no orgs. KJCB> not me JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> I am Theosophy SATELLITE8:Satellite8> i have not
KOLTA:Kolta> I pick from different "paths" ROYCE3:Royce3> Presently, I like to attend some of the Theosophical society meetings. SATELLITE8:Satellite8> unless you count LaLeche League
DORCASQ> Does AA count? :) JOASHA:Joasha> - signed off - ROYCE3:Royce3> What is the LaLeche League? SATELLITE8:Satellite8> HAHAHA KOLTA:Kolta> LaLeche League?
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> for breastfeeding mothers SATELLITE8:Satellite8> i think that is pretty enlightened!!! KOLTA:Kolta> oh! ROYCE3:Royce3> Hmmmmmmm.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, I'm afraid I don't qualify for that one, Sat. SATELLITE8:Satellite8> sad. KOLTA:Kolta> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh! ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, it depends upon one
ROYCE3:Royce3> s point of view. SATELLITE8:Satellite8> yes. and I only have my female pov to reference ** JOASHA just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (7 members now) **
ROYCE3:Royce3> The Theosophical meetings are really a lot of fun. JOASHA:Joasha> re-hi ROYCE3:Royce3> They are held in in PGH. each week. Is that right Jeff? KJCB> - signed off -
DORCASQ> "Fun" doesn't sound like the right word, somehow. DORCASQ> I think of them as being very serious. ROYCE3:Royce3> Should Joasha ever make it into this area, we can take her to
one of the meetings. SATELLITE8:Satellite8> our meetings were lots of fun! JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> yes on Sunday At the University of Pittsburgh SATELLITE8:Satellite8> really? my son plays chess there
JOASHA:Joasha> would love it. going to Santa Fe next week for a week SATELLITE8:Satellite8> is this at the student union? ROYCE3:Royce3> Sat, you dropped out of the League?
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> i no longer breastfeed ROYCE3:Royce3> I see, Sat. SATELLITE8:Satellite8> my babies are almost 14 JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> no at the Quadangle next to Hillman Library
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, if you were still doing it, I would be concerned. SATELLITE8:Satellite8> really? JOASHA:Joasha> lolololol KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off - SATELLITE8:Satellite8> lol
JOASHA:Joasha> roflol ROYCE3:Royce3> Anyway the Theosophical meetings have speakers each week. ** KOLTA:Kolta just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (6 members now) **
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> funny. i was accused of nursing emily at age 6 SATELLITE8:Satellite8> she was barely 3 but tall for her age JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> Another approach to wisdom and enlightenment is the
positive ETs ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, let's focus on the Theosophical meetings for a moment. KOLTA:Kolta> That is true Jeff ROYCE3:Royce3> How do you chose the speakers, Jeff?
ROYCE3:Royce3> And what range of topics can be addressed? JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> People volunteer SATELLITE8:Satellite8> Jeff, you write well ROYCE3:Royce3> What percentage of the group give talks?
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> thank you JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> a small % SATELLITE8:Satellite8> your writing is very expressive ROYCE3:Royce3> Jeff is a charter member of the group.
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> The President asks people from the outside KOLTA:Kolta> What are the topics Jeff? SATELLITE8:Satellite8> he's not just a member he's the PRESIDENT!!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> How many years have you been a part of the organization, Jeff? ROYCE3:Royce3> The Theosophical society is one of them, Kolta. JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> In Pittsburgh 7 years in LA 5 years
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> you lived in LA??? SATELLITE8:Satellite8> i lived in San Diego for 16 years ROYCE3:Royce3> Can you tell us what the group has meant to you?
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> yes for 15 years KOLTA:Kolta> I was asking about the topics that are presented at the society SATELLITE8:Satellite8> wow were you born in PA? JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> one minute
ROYCE3:Royce3> I see, kolta. DORCASQ> Kolta meant what topics do they talk about at the Theo Society. ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, I understand. KOLTA:Kolta> Thanks D
DORCASQ> Maybe between the two of us we can get an answer, K. ROYCE3:Royce3> Jeff recently gave a talk about brotherhood. JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> History Of the Theosophical Society Different spiritual
Traditions JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> yes SATELLITE8:Satellite8> were you born in PA Jeff? SATELLITE8:Satellite8> or in California?
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> I did a talk on UFOs From The theosophical Tradition ROYCE3:Royce3> Your leader, Andy, seems to have a bit of a background in Zen--at least he uses some Zen terminology.
DORCASQ> Do most people in the society believe in UFOs? ROYCE3:Royce3> How do UFOs fit into the Theosophical tradition, Jeff? ROYCE3:Royce3> The organization puts out a very nice, slick magazine. I think
it is called Quest. Is that right, Jeff? JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> The UFos are part of the process of creating the myth of the new millenium JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> Yes KOLTA:Kolta> Right on, Jeff!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> How are Ufos creating the myth of the new millennium? DORCASQ> What is the myth of the new milliniem? DORCASQ> milllneuiummn
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ROYCE3:Royce3> millennium DORCASQ> I can never get that right! KOLTA:Kolta> Thanks Royce JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> Question Do any of you know a wise and enlightened person?
JBROOKS21:JB> Pardon me Jeff but what makes you say that? DORCASQ> I thought you were one, Jeff.??? ROYCE3:Royce3> Jeff, we want to ask you questions. JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> anyone else
ROYCE3:Royce3> You are the expert here, today. ROYCE3:Royce3> You are in the hot seat. KOLTA:Kolta> You are the enlightened one today Jeff
ROYCE3:Royce3> How did you first become involved in the Theosophical society? ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, if Joasha comes to town, we could all attend one of the meetings.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Presently, we have a Western PA crowd. JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> I regularlly attended Dr. Hoeller Gmostic Church in LA. He was also associated with a Theosophical Chapter called the Besant
Theosophical Chapter SATELLITE8:Satellite8> what time on sunday are the meetings? ROYCE3:Royce3> Around one, I think. ROYCE3:Royce3> 1:00 SATELLITE8:Satellite8> what is a Gmostic church?
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> They run from 1:30 P.M. to 3:00P.M. JOASHA:Joasha> gnostic SATELLITE8:Satellite8> ok can anyone go to the meetings? ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes sat.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello, Starchild. ROYCE3:Royce3> Welcome JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> A gnostic church is one that practices gnosticism STARCHILD53> hi all SATELLITE8:Satellite8> what is gnosticism?
DORCASQ> Can you describe what gnosticism is, Jeff? SATELLITE8:Satellite8> is it like agnostic? STARCHILD53> - signed off - JOASHA:Joasha> yes
ROYCE3:Royce3> Essentially the Gnostics believe that one can go to the Godhead to experience God. There isn't so much stress placed upon dogma. SATELLITE8:Satellite8> ok JOASHA:Joasha> no middle man
ROYCE3:Royce3> That is it, Joasha. SATELLITE8:Satellite8> and no overhead!!! ROYCE3:Royce3> I like that. JBROOKS21:JB> And who would the middleman be?
KOLTA:Kolta> I am going to become gnostic!!!!!! DORCASQ> I like that too JOASHA:Joasha> yes!!!! SATELLITE8:Satellite8> keeps costs low ROYCE3:Royce3> Preachers, priests, rabbis, etc., Jbrooks
ROYCE3:Royce3> Although the Gnostics do have religious leaders. DORCASQ> The middleman, JB? JOASHA:Joasha> middleman=church and writen text JBROOKS21:JB> So there are no church leaders?
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> Gnosticism is a form of religion that stresses escape from this world through esoteric knowledge ROYCE3:Royce3> Dr. Stephan Hoeller is presently the Bishop of the Gnostic
church of America. JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> that is true ROYCE3:Royce3> They use a sort of Transpersonal Psychology. JOASHA:Joasha> which is an oxymoron in it's self hehehehe
JBROOKS21:JB> Help me with the concept of esoteric knowledge KOLTA:Kolta> What is transpersonal psychology? JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> In the early times it was a Christian heresay JBROOKS21:JB> Please
ROYCE3:Royce3> Esoteric traditions ROYCE3:Royce3> Esoteric traditions stress the need to use alternate states of consciousness in order to access higher knowledge.
ROYCE3:Royce3> These states of consciousness are reached through various forms of meditation. ** BEGINME49 just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (8 members now) **
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> It claimed to have superior knowledge of escoteric matters ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello Beginme, welcome. BEGINME49> hi
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yoga, Sufism, Zen--these are a few of the esoteric schools. ROYCE3:Royce3> There are others. JOASHA:Joasha> many ROYCE3:Royce3> Shamanism is also an esoteric school. So is Qi Gong.
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> It explained the world by agenies who came from the GODHEAD DORCASQ> But isn't there a dogma in all of that too? BEGINME49> - signed off -
JOASHA:Joasha> only if it begins to censor and judge DORCASQ> Thanks, Jo ROYCE3:Royce3> Dorcasq, there is some dogma, but for the most part the
schools teach you the means to experience God directly, instead of reading about someone else's experiences with God. ** BEGINME49 just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (8 members now) **
JBROOKS21:JB> I think I am beginning to see the connection with the old world gnostic worldview BEGINME49> - signed off - JOASHA:Joasha> if your spiritual expression is between you and your source of
creation, then you are agnostic. ROYCE3:Royce3> In the formal sense, the Gnostics do have certain ancient scriptures. Some of these were discovered only in recent years.
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> esoteric knowledge involves knowledge of the divine and the transcendental ROYCE3:Royce3> An agnostic, as I use it, is someone unsure about the reality of God.
JBROOKS21:JB> Not the traditional definition of agnosticism ** 1CAVERAT just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (8 members now) ** 1CAVERAT> back again SATELLITE8:Satellite8> wb c!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Jbrooks, I don't use the word. So I'm sure you are right. JOASHA:Joasha> I had an Elder share with me one time that if a person can
listen to anothers form of believe and be truly entertained and not antagonized then they are evolved. hehehe SATELLITE8:Satellite8> really J?
JBROOKS21:JB> Royce your defintion seems more on track with tradition JOASHA:Joasha> yep SATELLITE8:Satellite8> neat DORCASQ> I must be evolved!!!! SATELLITE8:Satellite8> you certainly are D
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> i want to work on one essay tonight It is called An Exercise In Understanding Wisdom JBROOKS21:JB> I thought we were created KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off -
JOASHA:Joasha> my point. to be evolved is not unattainable ROYCE3:Royce3> The transcendentalism of Emerson is in line with the new Gnostic traditions, although Emerson never had what we might call a
contemplative tradition to support his beliefs. DORCASQ> Spiritually evolved, JB. JBROOKS21:JB> OH 1CAVERAT> If I suddenly disappear, I'll be back (still testing my mobil link)
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> The exercise is based on Proverbs ( in the Bible ROYCE3:Royce3> I don't follow you, Jeff. ROYCE3:Royce3> What is based upon Proverbs?
JOASHA:Joasha> if we are wise, then we have no need of exercising. lolol JOASHA:Joasha> sorry Jeff, couldn't resist JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> I want to have a discussion based on that essay
ROYCE3:Royce3> Dr. Stpehan Hoeller's lectures are on the net. They are quite good. DORCASQ> Go right ahead, Jeff. ROYCE3:Royce3> He is, as we have said, the Bishop of the Gnostic church in America.
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> The basis is proverbs 9 ROYCE3:Royce3> Jeff, you are going to have to rapidly review the essay, then. JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> Can someone post this essay?
** KOLTA just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (8 members now) ** JBROOKS21:JB> Yes please Jeff JOASHA:Joasha> will have to say goodnight. class to teach tomorrow. lot of prep to do yet
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> gn J nice to see you! JOASHA:Joasha> have a good chat all. ROYCE3:Royce3> Very good, Joasha. JOASHA:Joasha> - signed off - DORCASQ> Where is the essay, Jeff?
1CAVERAT> What essay? ROYCE3:Royce3> The essay is posted on the web site. Everyone was asked to read it before the chat. 1CAVERAT> sorry, I didn't look there first :( DORCASQ> I DID read it...but
JBROOKS21:JB> Not everyone ROYCE3:Royce3> Just tell us what you want to discuss regarding proverbs, Jeff. KOLTA:Kolta> I read it JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> Its on the webpage. under writers Jeff Love
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, but it is too late in the day for that, Jeff. DORCASQ> My memory doesn't last long. ROYCE3:Royce3> Just discuss Proverbs. ROYCE3:Royce3> Just give us a thesis statement.
DORCASQ> Refresh my memory. SATELLITE8:Satellite8> is this the one about the 2 parties? DORCASQ> I don't think so, Sat. KOLTA:Kolta> Lady Folly and Lady Wisdom
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> People are invited to two parties. One is given by Lady Wisdom The other party is a wild party given by Dame Folly JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> Yes
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> i read that twice DORCASQ> Ohhh, ok 1CAVERAT> Catch you all later. Its cold out here in the truck!! ROYCE3:Royce3> bye DORCASQ> Turck?? DORCASQ> t r u c k
1CAVERAT> truck KOLTA:Kolta> I the trck? DORCASQ> Why are you in a truck? 1CAVERAT> did this misspell??? KOLTA:Kolta> Why are you in a truck SATELLITE8:Satellite8> yeah he said mobile
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> If given a choice of parties which one would you attend? 1CAVERAT> trying a mobil link SATELLITE8:Satellite8> lady wisdom DORCASQ> hmmm
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> no smoking allowed there :) KOLTA:Kolta> Lady wisdom ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, Jeff's premise seems to be that one can choose the life
of material gain and selfishness or one of service to mankind. SATELLITE8:Satellite8> probably serves tofu and soy milk DORCASQ> Lady Wisdom, of course! 1CAVERAT> bye!! KOLTA:Kolta> Bye caverat
ROYCE3:Royce3> Lady Wisdom is the path of service. 1CAVERAT> - signed off - SATELLITE8:Satellite8> and of grace ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes. SATELLITE8:Satellite8> and good intellect
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> I asked the question at the Theosophical Society. Most in attendance said they would try to attend both parties. SATELLITE8:Satellite8> huh????? SATELLITE8:Satellite8> really???
JBROOKS21:JB> Most people do DORCASQ> Well...yea, don't want to miss anything. ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, most people try. SATELLITE8:Satellite8> oh i am thinking literal parties
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> dumb me KOLTA:Kolta> In Jeff's article on the Western tradition of Wisdom and in his proverbs article, wisdom is a feminine attribute
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> Why would you choose the party you do? JBROOKS21:JB> what is the risk associated with each choice? JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> JB a good question
ROYCE3:Royce3> Gnostics believe the third aspect of the trinity is Holy Spirit, who is the Sophia and female aspect of God. JBROOKS21:JB> and what are the rewards?
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> I wrote about consequences in the essay JBROOKS21:JB> URL please ROYCE3:Royce3> From a Christian standpoint, I would guess, salvation, Jbrooks.
JBROOKS21:JB> How about from yourstand point Royce? DORCASQ> I would rather meet the kind of people who would be at the wisdom party - that is why I chose that.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Jbrooks, it is our associated web site. Just click on the web page tag at the top of this page. SATELLITE8:Satellite8> i will be right back SATELLITE8:Satellite8> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> From my standpoint, service to God is paramount. However, I don't see God in a personified form. I see God much as a Taoist would. JBROOKS21:JB> Paramount to what?
KOLTA:Kolta> How does a Taoist see God ROYCE3:Royce3> Being of service to God will ultimately lead to enlightenment. JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> Please explain Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, if one is to attain enlightenment, I believe he or she must serve God and pursue knowledge as a way of life. JBROOKS21:JB> Can you please define enlightenment for a newcomer
ROYCE3:Royce3> And I also believe that to attain enlightenment one must go to the Godhead. KOLTA:Kolta> Then you see knowledge and wisdom as being the same thing?
ROYCE3:Royce3> No they can be different. Many people consider knowledge to be limited to this sphere of existence. ROYCE3:Royce3> Wisdom, as I use the word, is more closely associated with enlightenment.
KOLTA:Kolta> ok JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> They are different DORCASQ> Yes they are different ROYCE3:Royce3> Describing enlightenment is almost impossible. Enlightenment must be experienced.
JBROOKS21:JB> Doesn't wisdom dictate what one does with knowledge KOLTA:Kolta> Very different ROYCE3:Royce3> That is a fair statement, Jbrooks. DORCASQ> Yes, I think so, JB.
JBROOKS21:JB> Have you experinced it Royce? JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> knowledge deals with acquiring accurate awareness of something ROYCE3:Royce3> I wouldn't claim to be enlightened. I have had the good
fortune to attain minor Kensho. ROYCE3:Royce3> It has taken a lot of work, however. ROYCE3:Royce3> And I have a long way to go. JBROOKS21:JB> I am sorry but that is another new term
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> wisdom is the virtue concerned with truth, goodness, and beauty KOLTA:Kolta> Minor Kensho? ROYCE3:Royce3> Kensho, is a mild form of enlightenment. It is a term used in
Zen circles. JBROOKS21:JB> To compare once again to Christianity then enlightenment is your ultimate goal ROYCE3:Royce3> Kensho, like enlightenment can't be put into words. It is a
transcendent state of consciousness. ROYCE3:Royce3> For me, attaining enlightenment is an important goal. JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> wisdom seeks the truth of someting Doing the good Producing the beautiful
ROYCE3:Royce3> But I'm prepared to accept the fact that I many never attain it. JBROOKS21:JB> How does mortality fit in to this picture KOLTA:Kolta> I think we all attain it in some lifetime, Royce
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> how do you know if a person is enlightened? DORCASQ> That is a good question, Jeff, how do you know? ** RAINMAN11 just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (6 members now) **
KOLTA:Kolta> I think the person himself is the best determiner of whether or not he is enlighteed JBROOKS21:JB> As near as I can determine one is never truly enlightened it is a relative thing.
KOLTA:Kolta> I am certainly not enlightened ROYCE3:Royce3> I got bumped to Chicago!!!!! JBROOKS21:JB> Each has their own degree of enlightenment
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> An enlightened person actually expereriences the Light Of Divinity and manifests this LIGHT in his or her life KOLTA:Kolta> Bumped to Chicago??????
DORCASQ> Really, BAD bumped, Kolta. JBROOKS21:JB> Back to the issue of mortality please ROYCE3:Royce3> What about mortality? JBROOKS21:JB> One life? Multiple lives?
JBROOKS21:JB> In the sense of a phyiscal body ROYCE3:Royce3> I believe in the notion of nonlocal consciousness. DORCASQ> Good answer, Jeff on enlightened people. RAINMAN11> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> I believe that our consciousness survives the death of the body. ROYCE3:Royce3> I'm not certain about reincarnation.
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> In reincarnation theory it takes many lives to achieve enlightenment. Meditation, study and service are key variables of enlightenment.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I don't reject the notion, however. ** SATELLITE8 just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (6 members now) ** ROYCE3:Royce3> Welcome back, Satellite.
DORCASQ> After a person becomes enlightened doesn't he/she choose whether to live in this world or not? KOLTA:Kolta> However, I feel that the soul continues to grow even after
death til it reaches enlitenment KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off - SATELLITE8:Satellite8> thanks ROYCE3:Royce3> Dorcasq, no one has come back to tell me. DORCASQ> Well...that is what I have read about.
** KOLTA:Kolta just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (6 members now) ** ROYCE3:Royce3> That may be the case, Dorcasq. It is the belief of many Hindu sects.
KOLTA:Kolta> I belief the soul continues to grow after death til it reaches enlightement DORCASQ> Then what happens to it after that, Kolta?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Jeff, what other points would you like to make in regard to your essays? KOLTA:Kolta> Then it achieves union with God DORCASQ> Can you be more descriptive about the union?
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> I discussed the issue of Lady Wisdom and Dame Folly with a friend. We concluded most people's life is a combination of Lady
wisdom and Dame Folly. In the majority of people Dame Folly predominates. KOLTA:Kolta> Let's let Jeff have the show SATELLITE8:Satellite8> what if Lady Wisdom predominates
ROYCE3:Royce3> She doesn't, Sat. SATELLITE8:Satellite8> but Dame Folly enters occasionally SATELLITE8:Satellite8> because we are only human? JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> What a magnificent excellent life.
KOLTA:Kolta> Do yo think we need the balence of the 2? SATELLITE8:Satellite8> i think we do! ROYCE3:Royce3> There seems to be the general sense among many that there is a
dearth of spirituality in our present culture. SATELLITE8:Satellite8> because nobody is ever perfect! JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> One inquires into the important questions of life. KOLTA:Kolta> Right Sat.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> wouldn't we then be a boring bunch? SATELLITE8:Satellite8> we wouldn't even need this chatroom! JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> One learns how to control the vices and express the virtues.
KOLTA:Kolta> We would not want to be boring now JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> One is able to discern good from evil and live the good in actual situations DORCASQ> Are WE boring???
ROYCE3:Royce3> I don't think we have to worry about everyone becoming perfect. SATELLITE8:Satellite8> i don't think we are boring! KOLTA:Kolta> No, we are not boring
DORCASQ> We are doing what Jeff is talking about. ROYCE3:Royce3> I want to remind everyone that we will meet here again tomorrow at 6:00 EDT.
KOLTA:Kolta> But, vice can be a strength if we use it correctly ROYCE3:Royce3> We will be having our "open" chat then. JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> We discover good causes and devote our life to these
causes. ROYCE3:Royce3> We may talk about anything we choose. JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> its time to close ** PENELOPE76 just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (7 members now) **
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello Penelope. DORCASQ> Thanks, jeff, that was very good! KOLTA:Kolta> Excellent Jeff! ROYCE3:Royce3> You are here just in time for our closing. <grin>
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> we'll see you tomorrow SATELLITE8:Satellite8> hi Pen! PENELOPE76> Hi Folks ROYCE3:Royce3> Bye Jeff. JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> - signed off -
PENELOPE76> Timing is everything :) ROYCE3:Royce3> I would like to remind everyone that Penelope's experiment is now posted on the web site. DORCASQ> Next Wed. the chat starts at 7:00 Pen.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, we will be starting an hour later every Wednesday, starting next week. KOLTA:Kolta> I need to go also. I have some things to catch up on
DORCASQ> Maybe we will get to talk to you then, finally. PENELOPE76> Thanks D, class on Wed ROYCE3:Royce3> Good bye, Kolta. KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off - DORCASQ> Oh, too bad!
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> me too julie needs to do some work on the computer SATELLITE8:Satellite8> see you guys tomorrow ROYCE3:Royce3> Penelope, the article is very good. Thank you so much.
DORCASQ> Goodnight everyone, thanks. ROYCE3:Royce3> See you Sat. PENELOPE76> My goodness this is slow! ROYCE3:Royce3> bye Dorcasq. DORCASQ> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, we are getting ready to go home, Penelope. PENELOPE76> Royce, I do hope your edited my ramblings! ROYCE3:Royce3> Everyone leaves at this time. But that will change, starting
next Wednesday. ROYCE3:Royce3> You didn't ramble. I still have a few minor things to edit. But I wanted to get everything up and running. SATELLITE8:Satellite8> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> I have to add a bit about the student who wasn't able to take part in the experiment--the one who was suspended. I didn't make the fact that he was suspended clear.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I will do all of that this evening. ROYCE3:Royce3> The pictures are great. PENELOPE76> - signed off - ROYCE3:Royce3> Jb ROYCE3:Royce3> I think it is just you and me.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Thank you for coming tonight. ROYCE3:Royce3> I hope you will join us again. JBROOKS21:JB> Thanks for having me ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, we will be back tomorrow.
ROYCE3:Royce3> We meet here twice a week. ROYCE3:Royce3> You might want to check out our web site. We have logs of past chats there. ROYCE3:Royce3> So, with that I will say good night.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Come again. JBROOKS21:JB> Thanks perhaps I will see you again JBROOKS21:JB> - signed off - ROYCE3:Royce3> I hope so. (Logging turned off) |