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.Royce3> hi
DORCASQ> Haaaaay
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.Royce3> Hi 1and.
DORCASQ> Hi 1andonly1
1ANDONLY1> hello everyone
DORCASQ> How are you all?
.Royce3> How is everyone doing today? I'm fine, although my weed whacker
isn't working.
1ANDONLY1> delphi said no chat active
1ANDONLY1> we are fine
DORCASQ> I guess the weeds of the world are safe, Royce.
.Royce3> Well, I opened the door only moments ago, maybe that accounts for
the problem with the sign.
.Royce3> Yes, I've never been an active warrior against weeds.
1ANDONLY1> I love weed
DORCASQ> ha ha
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.Royce3> Hello, Kolta, welcome.
DORCASQ> Hello Kolta
1ANDONLY1> hi Kolta
.Kolta> Hi everyone!!!!!
DORCASQ> Royce's weeds are out of whack!
.Royce3> I just posted your article about those who seek to record in
government records what we read.
.Kolta> Why are Royce's weeds out of whack?????
DORCASQ> His weed whacker isn't working.
.Royce3> My weed whacker doesn't work.
.Kolta> I thought you would be interested in that article Royce.
.Royce3> It's an excellent article.
DORCASQ> Which article?
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.Royce3> I have forwarded it to many people already.
1ANDONLY1> ???????
.Kolta> I am sorry to hear about your weed whacker
.Royce3> Hello Docbelechier
.Royce3> Thank you , Kolta
DORCASQ> Are you a doctor, Doc?
.Royce3> Anyway this business about recording what we read is, in my view,
quite dangerous.
DOCBELCHEIR> Do you actualy discuss UFOlogy???
.Kolta> I quite agree Royce
1ANDONLY1> sometimes
DORCASQ> We sure do, doc.
.Royce3> Oh, yes, Docbelchier.
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.Royce3> We do in fact discuss Ufology.
DOCBELCHEIR> Yes, I'm a Behavior analyst and Parapsychologist...
.Royce3> Hello Bauble.
.Kolta> HI Bauble
BAUBLE49> Hello All
DORCASQ> Hey, Bauble!
1ANDONLY1> wow
DORCASQ> What about recording what we read?
1ANDONLY1> hi Baub
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DORCASQ> Oh good, Doc - we need you here!
.Royce3> Well, now, you should be able to read about some strange behavior
1ANDONLY1> is that books for the blind
.Royce3> Hello, Jeff welcome.
BAUBLE49> Your not listed as in the chat, Dorc on the front page
.jefflove> hi
.Kolta> Someone can go into a bookstore and ask who bought certain books
.jefflove> everyone
1ANDONLY1> hi jeff
DORCASQ> I was the 1st one here, Baub.
DORCASQ> Really, K?
BAUBLE49> Hi land
.Royce3> Now, as you may know, we are awaiting the arrival of Caverat, who is
supposed to tell us about his visit to Area 51
.Kolta> Hi Jeff, I heard you went to a concert on Sunday. I hope you enjoyed
.Royce3> I hope we don't have to get into a lot of network time killers
before he arrives.
.jefflove> yes
.Kolta> Good Jeff
DOCBELCHEIR> Excuse me... But, I have had several of my clients complain
about increased activity
.Royce3> Caverat, of course, transmits from his university, so he does have
work considerations with which to contend.
DOCBELCHEIR> ...Is anyone else aware of this increase????
DORCASQ> Increased ufo activity, Doc?
.Royce3> And what sort of activity are we talking about, Doc?
DOCBELCHEIR> Several actually..
DOCBELCHEIR> Abduction activity
.Royce3> Well, Doc, you have the floor.
DORCASQ> Compared to a lack of activity in their lives or none at all?
DOCBELCHEIR> Spotting of cluster activity
DOCBELCHEIR> MicroWave Activity....
.Royce3> Well, are you familiar with the work of Dr. John Mack of Harvard,
.jefflove> anyone have an exciting ufo stories
.Royce3> I don't think anyone has ever associated microwave activity with
DOCBELCHEIR> They are also noticing more appearances of spots on the body...
that's about it ..
.Royce3> At least not until now.
BAUBLE49> A few weeks ago I told the group about 2 psychologists, Husband and
wife, who interviewed their new clients and asked if they had had any
paranormal experiences. Many had and were glad to be able to
BAUBLE49> talk about it with others.
DOCBELCHEIR> Yes, I've read all I can from MACK..
.Royce3> Well, we have all been schooled about the appearance of "scoop"
DORCASQ> Are these people who have been abducted in the past?
.Royce3> Well, you also know that Mack nearly got canned for fooling with the
abduction phenomena.
DOCBELCHEIR> Yes, to past abductions... continuing abductions as well...
DORCASQ> Or just recently...and more of it?
.Royce3> So you have two patients who claim to have been abducted, Doc?
DORCASQ> How do you deal with them, Doc?
DOCBELCHEIR> I have come to relize that I am one of a few who actually allow
my clients their reality without making them conform to some other belief
system to get by.... or put them on drugs...
1ANDONLY1> do you believe them Doc?
DORCASQ> Good for you, Doc!!!
DORCASQ> I wish there were more doctors like that.
.Kolta> You sound like a good person Doc
DOCBELCHEIR> My problem has been the interference of government questions
especially with people on assistance of some type...
.Royce3> So how do you react to their claim's, Doc. What sort of treatment do
you suggest for them?
DORCASQ> That is interesting - govt questions.
1ANDONLY1> support
.Royce3> Well, i can imagine that filling out standard forms would require a
creative response on your part, Doc.
DOCBELCHEIR> I use hypnosis at times... although it takes awhile to establish
trust for most of them.
DOCBELCHEIR> I presently have 6 clients...
.Kolta> You cannot very well tell the government you work with abductees.
DORCASQ> I would imagine their insurance doesn't cover abductions.
1ANDONLY1> do your clients know each other Doc?
DOCBELCHEIR> As a parapsychologist I have had alot of dealings with the
subject, I am not an expert.
.Kolta> Where are you from Doc? I might be needing someone like you.
.Royce3> You have six clients who claim to have been abducted? Or are you
have a total of six clients, period?
.Royce3> Are you associated with a specific teaching institution, Doc? Or are
you in private practice?
DOCBELCHEIR> Only 6 of my many clients claim to have been abducted. None of
them know each other. They all live in different parts of Idaho...
.Kolta> Are you from Idaho?
.Royce3> Well that must be a very high percentage of patients claiming to
have been abducted.
DORCASQ> Is that the reason they came to you for help? Because of the
DOCBELCHEIR> I am in private practice... and I am the founder of the Center
of Life an Alternative Counseling Association for persons who prefer not to
use drugs...
BAUBLE49> Mack has opened up some doors on this subject. But don't know how
many Drs. could get away with talking about this to the public.
.Kolta> Where Doc???? I may be needing help eventually!!!!!
DOCBELCHEIR> Yes I'm in Idaho...
.Royce3> Well, I would imagine that you are, certainly, in the minority.
BAUBLE49> Idaho K
.Kolta> Well, that was the second time I asked
DOCBELCHEIR> Most of my clients came to me for help with chronic fatigue
1ANDONLY1> have u use EMDR on the clients Doc?
DORCASQ> That would be a long trip for you, K.
.Royce3> I have a good friend who claims to have been abducted. She talks
about it frequently me and a few others.
BAUBLE49> Do you want the city Kolta?
.Kolta> I will make the trip if necessary. I am starting to remember dreams
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DOCBELCHEIR> ..they wanted to try hypnosis for the pain and mobility issues
they were having...
.Royce3> Hello, Isleander
.isle anders> hey hey all
DORCASQ> Wow, K, do you care to tell us about them?
1ANDONLY1> hi Isle
.Royce3> We are talking to a psychologist about abduction, Isleander.
.isle anders> kc58thelegendliveson
.Royce3> Docbelchier is a psychologist.
.isle anders> okay
.Kolta> Later, but not now. I just want to know how I can get in touch with
DOCBELCHEIR> EMDR works for some ...not all... once again establishing a
trust factor is important...
1ANDONLY1> why do you think u need a doc K?
.Royce3> Well, of course, that will be totally up to Docbelcheir, Kolta.
.Kolta> I have scoop marks I cannot explain and I am starting to remember
what I thought were dreams
1ANDONLY1> Do you believe your clients Doc?
.Royce3> Some of the people I have known who discuss abduction believe that
they have encountered demons, Doc.
.Kolta> I know Royce, but give him a chance to answer me
.Royce3> That has become an increasingly common theme--the notion that
abductees are encountering demons.
BAUBLE49> What is EMDR?
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1ANDONLY1> its a type of hypnotic therapy
.Royce3> hello bebeblue, welcome.
BAUBLE49> thanks land
.isle anders> if abductions are real why do the aliens bring them back ? why
not just keep em ?
DOCBELCHEIR> Yes I believe my clients...
.Royce3> The general gist of the discussion concerns ET abduction, Bebe.
.Royce3> We are talking to a psychologist about the matter, Bebe.
DOCBELCHEIR> These clinets have too many unique simularities...
.Royce3> So are there any questions you would like to post to the room, Doc?
.isle anders> how about my questions.....scroll up
BAUBLE49> I'm sure we could all come up with a list of people we'd like the
aliens to keep Isle..:)
.Royce3> Isleander, i don't think anyone can answer that question. And the
aliens may ,in fact, keep some of the unfortunates.
.Royce3> Of course, some may view them as being very fortunate to have been
.isle anders> shoot i was hoping that question had an answer
.Royce3> We have some among our number who claim to have ongoing encounters
with aliens, Doc.
.Royce3> Personally, I've never experienced Ets, but I keep hoping. :-)
DOCBELCHEIR> AActually this is my first time chatting so this all very over
whelming... not to mention I have forgotten how to spell
DORCASQ> You are doing very well, doc.
1ANDONLY1> one of my kind then Doc
.Royce3> Quite a few of us have forgotten how to spell, Doc. Don't be self
.Royce3> Protocols are loose here
BAUBLE49> We all love Spell Check!
.Royce3> Yes, Spell Check is one of my closest friends.
.Kolta> I have fingers that will not cooperate with me on the keyboard
DOCBELCHEIR> I have had unique experiences with all my clients who have
shared abduction stories with me.
.Royce3> Doc, do your patients consider their abductions to have been totally
negative in nature?
DORCASQ> What kind of experiences?
1ANDONLY1> interesting
BAUBLE49> Is it only recently that clients are talking about abductions or
were there always a few clients who did?
DOCBELCHEIR> I believe that some need to be creative in how they deal with
those experiences...
.Royce3> I would imagine so, doc.
DOCBELCHEIR> Some need to turn to religion, others quietly spend time in
stablization units...
.Kolta> Stabilization units?
.Royce3> I have noticed more than a few who have turned to religion, Doc.
DORCASQ> Do any of them consider it a positive experience, Doc?
DOCBELCHEIR> ...and still more aggressively persue someone they can trust
just to tell their story to.
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.Royce3> Did you have any doubts about accepting abductee patients, doc?
DOCBELCHEIR> Of the 6 only 1 has had a positive outcome with the church
.Kolta> Hi Sat!
1ANDONLY1> hi Sate
.Satellite8> hi
BEBEBLUE> - signed off -
.Royce3> Hello sat. We are talking to a psychologist about abductions.
.Satellite8> .cool
1ANDONLY1> Breeze
.Satellite8> :/
.Satellite8> ??\
.Kolta> :--
.Royce3> Doc, I'm not sure I'm clear about your meaning. Are you saying that
the one associated with the church was the only one who has worked through
the trauma?
.Satellite8> ENOUGH!
DOCBELCHEIR> No, I have no problem accepting my clients... one young man
threatens to put my name on the Internet and bill as the "alien doctor"
DORCASQ> That would be great, Doc!
.Royce3> Put your name on the Net? That doesn't sound like a friendly action,
given the current atmosphere about Ets and the like.
1ANDONLY1> have they found any latent gifts after the abduction Doc?
.Royce3> net
DOCBELCHEIR> Only 1 client was accepted as not being crazy, or demon
.Royce3> So much for the loving support of the church.
.Royce3> Well, that is very interesting.
BAUBLE49> Do you think many could be crazy or possessed, Doc?
.Satellite8> what exactly is _crazy_?
DOCBELCHEIR> I hate to end this , but I do ahve a client coming in... I'll
be back tomorrow at 4 pm MST...
BAUBLE49> You have a point Sat!
.Kolta> What is crazy for one person may be normal for another
.Satellite8> exactly
DORCASQ> Thanks, Doc
.Royce3> Well, thank you for coming. We will be here again tomorrow.
.Satellite8> there is silly crazy
.Kolta> Please do come back Doc
.Satellite8> dangerous crazy
.Satellite8> out-of-touch with reality crazy
.Royce3> We are here on Tuesdays and Wednesdays.
1ANDONLY1> yes K its there perception
BAUBLE49> But the Doc used that word first
.Satellite8> and then there is us :)
DOCBELCHEIR> Normal is a setting on a washing machine and even when you
overload the thing normal doesn't exist...
BAUBLE49> Good
.Royce3> Yes, I like that, Doc.
.Royce3> Very good.
.Satellite8> Hahaha
.Kolta> I like that ttoo
BAUBLE49> Hope to see you tomorrow Doc
.Royce3> A mystery cleared up for you, Sat.
1ANDONLY1> grand
.Satellite8> overload.
.Satellite8> = stress
1ANDONLY1> thanks Doc
DORCASQ> Stay off the spin cycle, Sat.
.Royce3> yes indeed, Sat.
.Satellite8> nah. i am usually gentle cycle
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BAUBLE49> Hi again BEBEBlue
.Royce3> Well, if you would like to post any specific questions tomorrow or
on the message board, please feel free to do so, doc.
DOCBELCHEIR> Thank you very much... Kolta has my e-mail if any of you would
like she has my permission to give it out use ufotalk in the subject line...
.Royce3> Very good, Doc.
BAUBLE49> Thank You
DOCBELCHEIR> Ta-ta for now
.Royce3> bye
DOCBELCHEIR> - signed off -
BAUBLE49> bye
DORCASQ> ta-ta
1ANDONLY1> thank Doc
.Royce3> So does anyone here have any comments about all of that?
DORCASQ> ta-ta??
BEBEBLUE> hi Bauble
BEBEBLUE> hi Bauble
.Kolta> I am glad he came on
.Royce3> Anyone looking for a new doc?
1ANDONLY1> interesting Royce
.Kolta> I obviously am
DORCASQ> Yes, interesting
.Royce3> Yes, a nice surprise.
DORCASQ> But how do we know he is legitimate?
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.Satellite8> hahaha kolta!
.Royce3> Well, we all need a little help now and then.
BAUBLE49> Wonder if he/she wants a log?
1ANDONLY1> snap dor
.isle anders> - signed off -
.Royce3> Well, we can see about that, Bauble.
DORCASQ> snap?
BEBEBLUE> hi all
.Kolta> I can give you his e-mail
.Royce3> Does anyone have someone for the prayer list?
1ANDONLY1> us too k
DORCASQ> Oh yea...I forgot the prayer list.
.Royce3> For the uninitiated, we post a prayer list each week.
1ANDONLY1> yes
BAUBLE49> Yes, put Jordan on Dorc
.Kolta> Michael is going into hospice care now
.jefflove> - signed off -
1ANDONLY1> put Susan And Dave on please
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.Satellite8> what is wrong with michael?
.Satellite8> hi jeff
.Kolta> wb Jeff
.Royce3> Incidentally, creatures can be put on the list too.
.Satellite8> ok then royce, add me
DORCASQ> ok 1and
.jefflove> - signed off -
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1ANDONLY1> thanks Dorc
.Royce3> Any updates on the condition of Michael Wolf, kolta?
BAUBLE49> funny Sat!
.Kolta> I just mentioned an update Royce
.Satellite8> well, i am having some medical tests done.
.Satellite8> is michael wolf terminally ill?
1ANDONLY1> What for Sat
DORCASQ> Do you really want on the list, Sat?
.Royce3> Forgive me kolta, I missed that on the screen.
.Satellite8> ovarian cancer
.Satellite8> yes
.Kolta> Michael is terminal and it is only a matter of time before he goes
.Royce3> You have ovarian cancer, Sat?
.Kolta> He is going into hospice care
.Satellite8> oh.
.Satellite8> i am having some strange symptoms
.Satellite8> the thing is it mimics other things
.Royce3> I'm very sorry to hear that about Michael, Kolta.
.Kolta> Sorry to hear that Sat
.Satellite8> so unless you have specific tests you think its something else
.Satellite8> thanks
.Royce3> And Sat, has anyone actually told you that you have cancer?
DORCASQ> What else does it mimic, Sat?
.Satellite8> if it is it will be caught early i hope
.Satellite8> no.
.Royce3> Ok
.Satellite8> i told my doctor yesterday about symptoms
BAUBLE49> Best to have things tested and know for sure Sat
.Satellite8> and she is sending me for tests
.Satellite8> yep
BEBEBLUE> - signed off -
BAUBLE49> May be nothing serious
.Satellite8> i am trying to stay very happy
.Royce3> Good idea, Sat.
1ANDONLY1> stay positive Sat
BAUBLE49> Well you sure are funny Sat
.Royce3> Ok, does anyone have any sightings to report?
.Satellite8> gee thanks
1ANDONLY1> nop
BAUBLE49> No I haven't seen Caverat anywhere....
.Satellite8> i lost weight w/o trying
.Royce3> As I stated earlier in the chat, Caverat was hoping to be here to
talk about his trip.
.Satellite8> that is a sure sign i am dying!!!
DORCASQ> good one, Baub
1ANDONLY1> maybe he's been abducted
.Royce3> I'm starting to fear that we will never get his report.
.Royce3> Well, that could be, 1and
DORCASQ> Me too Royce
BAUBLE49> Normally that would be great to most of us Sat. But not with other
DORCASQ> Maybe he has nothing to report.
.Royce3> I hope he has some pictures for us to post.
BAUBLE49> You are not!!
.Satellite8> yeah, my luck i lose weight FINALLY
ISLEANDERS> royce where do u post pics
.Royce3> dorcasq, from what I have heard, I think he does have some things to
BAUBLE49> Much can be done now a days
1ANDONLY1> anything on the essay you sent Royce
.Satellite8> and i never live to see what its like to be skinny!
.Royce3> On the web site, Isleander.
.Royce3> I fear a lot of you still don't know how to get on the web site.
.Kolta> The pictures on the web site are wonderful
ISLEANDERS> cool ill check em out
BAUBLE49> Don't worry until you have to because you may never have to worry
.Royce3> All you do is click on the little gray tab on the top of this page.
.Satellite8> thanks bauble :)
BAUBLE49> You are going to be fine
.Royce3> Thank you, Kolta.
1ANDONLY1> we don't have a little gray tab Royce
DORCASQ> Being skinny has as many problems as being fat, Sat.
.Satellite8> we all gotta go sometime
.Satellite8> really?
.Royce3> yes, you do, 1and.
.Satellite8> i have always been fat
1ANDONLY1> do we
.Royce3> It is at the top of the Delphi page.
.Kolta> Neither do I. I have to go to the message board for the little gray
1ANDONLY1> where Royce
DORCASQ> Yea, Sat only you don't get any sympathy when you are skinny.
1ANDONLY1> does it say Delphi forums Royce
ISLEANDERS> Dq why is skinny a problem (I love it)
BAUBLE49> And why should you Dorc!?
Royce3> you will see, Start, messages, chat, shop, web page, etc.
1ANDONLY1> not there Royce
DORCASQ> Clothes don't always fit right...people think you are starving
yourself to be thin...etc.
.Satellite8> ok i will donate some fat to you when i go :)
BAUBLE49> You look like you just stepped out of Vogue Dorc
.Kolta> Try the message board for UFO talk time
.Royce3> At the moment, you probably have it covered by this chat screen,
.Royce3> it is there, believe me it is.
1ANDONLY1> ok K thanks ill try
BAUBLE49> funny Sat
.Royce3> Pleas e do poke around, you will find it.
DORCASQ> Thanks Baub!
.Satellite8> its good healthy fat too
ISLEANDERS> is the docot in
1ANDONLY1> ok Royce
.Royce3> We have quite a lot of visitors to the web site, far more than this
message board or the chat.
DORCASQ> The doc left.
BAUBLE49> No Went golfing
.Royce3> Yes, the doctor may be back.
.Kolta> He said he had a client coming in
.Royce3> I'm not sure if he found what he was looking for.
.Royce3> Maybe we weren't quite as flaky as he had hoped.
BAUBLE49> Client is another word for golf K
DORCASQ> Us?????not flaky
1ANDONLY1> is it Baub
.Satellite8> yeah. go figure
.Royce3> There's a lot of variation in what goes on in these rooms.
.Satellite8> we are as flakey as the come
.Royce3> Sometimes there's only profanity.
.Royce3> It's all relative, Sat.
.Kolta> Flaky is relative
BAUBLE49> for doctors in the US. Yes, land
ISLEANDERS> i miss part does the Doc hypnotize?
1ANDONLY1> oh Baub
DORCASQ> Yes, he said he does, Isle
1ANDONLY1> yes Isle so he said
.Satellite8> I talked to a really mean man at work today. Someone should
take away his X chromosome
1ANDONLY1> negative thinking Sat
BAUBLE49> Yes, many are trying not to hypnotize anymore
.Royce3> Sat, be glad that there are so many warm and fuzzy folks here. :-)
BAUBLE49> Just regression therapy
.Satellite8> he doesn't deserve an X chromosome
DORCASQ> warm, flaky and fuzzy
.Royce3> I wanted to ask the doc how his peers viewed his treating abductees.
.Satellite8> hahah
.Royce3> I think that would have been interesting.
.Royce3> Of course, I suspect he is in a non-traditional setting.
BAUBLE49> funny land :)
.Kolta> If he is smart, he has not told his peers
.Royce3> You have a point, kolta.
.Royce3> Yes, Mack nearly was done in by his peers.
.Royce3> brb
.Satellite8> i wonder if he takes all insurances
1ANDONLY1> are peers incontinent?
DORCASQ> Are you feeling afraid about what is happening to you, K? Why do
you want to talk to the Doc?
.Satellite8> HAHAHA
BAUBLE49> He never answered me if abduction clients are more frequent now or
did clients mention such things years ago
DORCASQ> funny 1and!
.Satellite8> no. 1and just slightly leaking
.Kolta> I am not afraid. I just want help in putting the pieces together
.Satellite8> leaky
DORCASQ> I think you can do that yourself, K.
.Royce3> ok
.Kolta> Not the missing pieces of the story
1ANDONLY1> sometimes you need a little support Dorc
.Kolta> Thanks 1and
DORCASQ> Well, ok, you are right
BAUBLE49> would you do hypnosis Kolta
DORCASQ> It does help to talk to someone else.
.Kolta> If it helps me remember some experiences, yes
BAUBLE49> Have you ever done regression Kolta
DORCASQ> I'm just afraid he will give you ideas that aren't really true.
1ANDONLY1> but dont you have to be aware of suggestion under Hypnosis
BAUBLE49> yes
.Kolta> I have had past life regression
BAUBLE49> I mean this life regression
.Kolta> That is why I need at least to talk with him first
.Royce3> Some have suggested that hypnosis is overrated as a treatment .
Furthermore, there's always the question of whether or not the hypnotist has
"planted" ideas in the mind of the patient.
.Kolta> It is the same thing Bauble. Regression is regression
1ANDONLY1> true Kolta
.Kolta> Well, the only person in this area I know of who could do it I am
certainly not going to go see
1ANDONLY1> but there are different ways
.Royce3> Such as, 1and?
DORCASQ> There is that place in Va Beach...I think it is the Cayce institute.
DORCASQ> They do that kind of stuff.
1ANDONLY1> light hypnotic trance can be covered by meditation there again you
can reach full trance where you are not aware of the reality around you
.Royce3> 1and, do you have the impression that medical people--psychologists
and the like--have a different attitude toward abductees than do, say, U.S.
BAUBLE49> I didn't know that Dorcas
.Kolta> I will keep that in mind Dorq. Thanks
DORCASQ> I think Royce told me that, Baub...or was it Sealady?
1ANDONLY1> some Royce but there is too many people coming forward now they
have to sit up and take notice
BAUBLE49> That does seem to be what's happening land
.Royce3> Of course, these days, computers are efficient enough to hold the
names of all of us involved with Ufology, 1and. Ha, Ha!
.Royce3> I wonder how many admitted abductees there actually are?
BAUBLE49> But not as many as could because they don't remember and so don't
know what it is that's causing them problems
DORCASQ> There must be a statistic somewhere, R
1ANDONLY1> maybe you could do a survey Royce
.Royce3> Yes, I wonder if Mack has some of the numbers.
.Royce3> I believe in delegating authority and duties, 1and!
.Royce3> Let's see......... who might I recruit?
BAUBLE49> And others that do remember and aren't going to tell ANYONE!
DORCASQ> I'm not here, royce
.Royce3> True, Bauble.
1ANDONLY1> lazy way out Royce Im the same
.Royce3> Yes, well, it is a thankless job,1and.
1ANDONLY1> yer I know
.Royce3> Of course, forming up a database could be a worthwhile activity.
BAUBLE49> I have absolutely NO idea how to do research....
.Kolta> One of the problems is that abductees may have experiences early on
but will not remember them until years later. So, what seems like new
abductees are those who are just starting to remember
.Royce3> I'll be happy to teach you, Bauble.
.Royce3> An interesting point, Kolta.
DORCASQ> Yes, Kolta. Do you think that is why there seems to be more
activity now?
1ANDONLY1> much trauma is like that K
BAUBLE49> You can't teach Royce. Or maybe it's I'm unteachable
.Satellite8> well, guys, i am going to go take a hot shower
.Satellite8> goodnight
DORCASQ> I hope your tests go well, Sat
.Royce3> Ok, sat, take care.
BAUBLE49> bye
1ANDONLY1> bye Sat
.Kolta> I think that is part of the reason. My dreams I mentioned I had when
I was a very young adult
.Satellite8> thank you
.Satellite8> - signed off -
BAUBLE49> That's another aspect of it that needs researched
DORCASQ> yes, Baub
.Royce3> Frankly, I don't see a lot of progress being made in Ufology;
however, what progress there is seems to be involved with abductees.
.Royce3> At least the psychologists have people to study--living artifacts.
.Kolta> Right now, abductees seem to be the only ones who have any information
BAUBLE49> It may become the IN thing to be an abductee, someday..
BAUBLE49> Then more will be allowed to remember
1ANDONLY1> perhaps it is preparing us for the next evolutionary step
.Kolta> It is not in to be one now
BAUBLE49> Not yet K
.Royce3> Kolta, in large part, that seems to be true. Yet some sages claim to
be in contact with them. Falun Dafa's Master Li immediately comes to mind.
.Kolta> I tend to agree with that 1and
BAUBLE49> which is
.Kolta> I will change that to abductees and contactees
.Royce3> Then we have the folks involved with Ashtar Command! Sound off JEFF
DORCASQ> That could be why more people are remembering now.
BAUBLE49> I've heard that before, land
.Kolta> Do not forget Royce, Jeff does not answer questions
.Royce3> Yes, I almost forgot.
BAUBLE49> mum,s the word
1ANDONLY1> from neanderthal to cro-magnon in 1 easy step
.Royce3> Jeff, knows a lot more than the is telling.
.Kolta> I agree Royce
.Royce3> Well, very good, 1and. That brings us to another point--evolution.
DORCASQ> Really?
.jefflove> i twrite stories about ufos
.Royce3> How many read the Michael Cremo article that I sent out?
.Royce3> Yes, Jeff is one of our most reliable scribes here at ufotalk-time.
1ANDONLY1> we did
DORCASQ> I don't remember it
.Kolta> Neither do I
.Royce3> So Cremo suggests that there are gaping holes in the theory of
.Royce3> The idea of a "designer" is coming into vogue, at least in some
.Kolta> Hmmmm. Designer humans
BAUBLE49> At least they are talking about this
.Royce3> The "designer" idea allows the Creationists and others to come
together in order to form a common bond.
1ANDONLY1> any theory is fine, as long as it is used to progress to another
BAUBLE49> And this could be it , land
1ANDONLY1> and is not made an ultimate
.Royce3> All the theory suggests is that some outside force is responsible
for totally new species that appear.
.Royce3> Cremo, the author of Forbidden Archeology, plans to write new
material concerning the "designer" theory.
1ANDONLY1> I look forward to it Royce
BAUBLE49> Maybe DNA in molecules were set to turn on at a certain time in
.Royce3> Given the academic excellence displayed in Forbidden Archeology, I
think we can look forward to some fine material.
.Royce3> That is possible, Bauble.
DORCASQ> That is an interesting thought, Baub.
BAUBLE49> That's true. Cremo is good
1ANDONLY1> Cremo de la Cremo
.Royce3> Cremo asserts that man has been on the planet for millions of years.
1ANDONLY1> he has!!!
.Royce3> That flies in the face of all conventional wisdom.
BAUBLE49> He does good research. Maybe we could talk him into researching our
question of how many abduction cases are coming forward....????
.Kolta> I heard that if anything did happen to the earth, the ETs were
preparing us genetically to be able to survive
.Royce3> Dream on Bauble, dream on!!!!!
1ANDONLY1> maybe he can come on with Caverat
BAUBLE49> Yeah
ISLEANDERS> kolta do u believe that?
.Kolta> Yeah
.Kolta> It is possible
.Royce3> Mabye someone has "gotten to" Caverat!!!!
DORCASQ> Could be Royce!
.Kolta> Maybe Caverat was abducted
.Royce3> I mean how can we tell what happened to the pool soul.
BAUBLE49> Maybe that is happening with the babies born now Kolta. I don't
know about us though
1ANDONLY1> we said that earlier K
DORCASQ> Sworn him to silence
.Royce3> I regret not having sent Jeff with him. Jeff could have provided
some much needed security.
.Kolta> Well, people our age are still being abducteed. Why?
DORCASQ> But Jeff wouldn't tell us anything either!!
.jefflove> yes
1ANDONLY1> better to lose 1 than 2 Royce
BAUBLE49> got me, K
.Royce3> Well, I count on Jeff for all short term high risk operations!!!!
.Royce3> he is the Rambo of UFOtalk-time!
.Kolta> I can see Jeff in a trenchcoat and sunglasses
.Royce3> MIB
1ANDONLY1> perhaps you should have sent him INSTEAD of Caverat
.Royce3> Well, you might have a point, there, 1and.
1ANDONLY1> come back Cavey
.Royce3> But Cave paid for his own ticket.
1ANDONLY1> ohh
BAUBLE49> Jeff doesn't work for free you know
.Kolta> Maybe we should start channeling for Caverat
1ANDONLY1> was it return
1ANDONLY1> or 1 way
.Royce3> Yes, there haven't been the sort of donations for research that we
badly need to carry out.
1ANDONLY1> maybe he's needed for breeding research
.Kolta> Who?
.Royce3> Hmmmmmm, interesting thought, 1and.
.Kolta> Jeff or Caverat?
1ANDONLY1> and is happy where he is
BAUBLE49> You mean he'd rather be doing that than be here with us, land?
.Royce3> Ahhhh, whoever is handy, Kolta.
.Kolta> ok Royce
.Royce3> hmmmm
1ANDONLY1> hmmmm
.Kolta> aaaaaaahhhhhhhh
.Royce3> Well, I had high hopes that Cave would broadcast live from area 51
.Royce3> But that never materialized.
BAUBLE49> He isn't even broadcasting from here Royce!!
1ANDONLY1> maybe his equipment failed
DORCASQ> I just want him to broadcast right here.
BAUBLE49> yeah
.Kolta> Maybe his boss is around
.Royce3> That's very true, Bauble. Yes, any report will be good at this
BAUBLE49> Oh that's right K
DORCASQ> That old excuse
BAUBLE49> yeah
1ANDONLY1> well we got our kids school reports today, if that helps
.Kolta> I realize that excuse is pretty lame
.Royce3> Actually, cave has had to reduce most of his participation on the
DORCASQ> How are they doing, 1and?
1ANDONLY1> I didn't notice Royce
BAUBLE49> Did it lift your spirits land?
1ANDONLY1> Great Dor
1ANDONLY1> very much
1ANDONLY1> they said my daughter was QUIET
.Royce3> Yes, future scholars of Ufotalk-time.
.jefflove> - signed off -
.Royce3> Just like her mother?
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DORCASQ> Do you agree with that, 1and?
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1ANDONLY1> I'm still in shock Dor
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.Royce3> Well, here we let our fingers do the talking.
.jefflove> - signed off -
.Royce3> Jeff is having trouble.
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.Kolta> Jeff is bouncing back and forth again
.Royce3> Yes
.Royce3> Does anyone have a specific topic in mind for tomorrow?
ISLEANDERS> how long are M&M's good for ? forever?
.Royce3> Tomorrow is supposed to be an open chat.
DORCASQ> People who don't know me say that about me too, 1and.
1ANDONLY1> until they melt
.Royce3> Naw, Isleander, they go bad.
1ANDONLY1> I don't know you Dor
DORCASQ> Good for what? Isle
1ANDONLY1> but you seem rather demure Dor
.Royce3> Dorq dresses in leather, 1and. That's all you need to know! Ha!
DORCASQ> hahaha
1ANDONLY1> Animal skin!!!
BAUBLE49> yikes!!!!
.Royce3> Well, this chat is fast drawing to a close. Does anyone want to
suggest some questions for the Doc, if he should return tomorrow?
DORCASQ> And I drive a Harley
.Kolta> Any tatoos?
1ANDONLY1> Whats up Doc?
DORCASQ> All over, K
.Royce3> She has one of those groovy hats, too.
BAUBLE49> You don't drive Harley's Dorc
DORCASQ> What do you do with them, B?
.Royce3> Pierced cheek, too.
.jefflove> its 7:30
.Royce3> Thank you Jeff.
.Kolta> Jeff, our timekeeper
BAUBLE49> They take you for a RIDE of a lifetime
1ANDONLY1> sweet dreams one and all
1ANDONLY1> - signed off -
.Royce3> Folks that is a wrap. Thank you very much for coming
DORCASQ> Yes, it is time to go. Bye everyone!
.Kolta> Thanks Royce
.Royce3> - signed off -
BAUBLE49> Til tomorrow, All Bye
DORCASQ> Vroooooom!!!
.jefflove> bye
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