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(Logging at 12-JUL-2000 17:51)
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ROYCE3:Royce3> hi
BAUBLE49> hi
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ROYCE3:Royce3> hi kolta
KOLTA:Kolta> Hi everyone!
BAUBLE49> Hi Kolta. Glad to see you here with us tonight
KOLTA:Kolta> Thanks Bauble. Glad to be here
ROYCE3:Royce3> Would you like me to fix you a cup of coffee, Kolta?
ROYCE3:Royce3> I just put a fresh pot on.
KOLTA:Kolta> What about a bloody mary?
BAUBLE49> Did you get your confirmation for workshop and hotel at Lily Dale,
ROYCE3:Royce3> It's on its way, Kolta.
KOLTA:Kolta> Yes, I did
BAUBLE49> Hope Caverat makes it tonight
KOLTA:Kolta> I look forward to the trip
KOLTA:Kolta> I saw his name on the message board
ROYCE3:Royce3> Understand, Kolta, the Lily Dale folks will probably hold a
celebration in our honor.
KOLTA:Kolta> With a parade and everything???
ROYCE3:Royce3> I have no doubt!
KOLTA:Kolta> Very good!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, we will be visiting vips.
KOLTA:Kolta> How long does it take to drive there?
BAUBLE49> If they are really good and can see the future they will know we
are coming and will probably close down for that weekend...
ROYCE3:Royce3> I think it will take around three and a half hours.
KOLTA:Kolta> And we get the whole place to ourselves!!!!
KOLTA:Kolta> That is not bad Royce
BAUBLE49> That's Right~!!!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, I hope not! We want there to be plenty of people to kow
KOLTA:Kolta> That is a point Royce
BAUBLE49> To us you mean of course
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, we will have our needs.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, to us.
KOLTA:Kolta> Like spas and hot tubs
ROYCE3:Royce3> least there's a lake!
KOLTA:Kolta> A lake!!!!! Is there swimming in the lake?
BAUBLE49> Friday we will be with others and I'm not allowed to smoke in their
car. But we can smoke in my car, K :~
KOLTA:Kolta> Which car are we taking?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Oh, yes. Well.....there's a lifeguard. I never have seen
anyone but the lifeguard swimming.
KOLTA:Kolta> I will swim
KOLTA:Kolta> If there is time
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BAUBLE49> The Cougar Groooowwwwwwl....
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello, Cave!
1CAVERAT> ftd drz
ROYCE3:Royce3> Welcome.
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1CAVERAT> Hi all!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello 1and
1ANDONLY1> Hi room
BAUBLE49> Hi Caverat Good to see you could make it tonight
ROYCE3:Royce3> hello to all
BAUBLE49> Hi land
KOLTA:Kolta> Hi Caverat!!!!!
1CAVERAT> I took the day off
KOLTA:Kolta> Hi 1and!!!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> You took the day off??? Well, very good.
1ANDONLY1> we thought you were abducted Cave!
1CAVERAT> Before I go on, just so you know they know I know, there is a
strong likelyhood this line is monitored
ROYCE3:Royce3> This will probably be our slowest day. Darn.
BAUBLE49> Hope we get more members on to hear Cave's report
KOLTA:Kolta> Monitored Caverat?
1ANDONLY1> let us feed them disinformation then!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, I certainly hope it is monitored. I mean we deserve some
BAUBLE49> That sounds ominous
1CAVERAT> I'm logged in via another server
ROYCE3:Royce3> If we can't make the NSA top five most subversive, where are
1CAVERAT> This way the line will be continuously tested for taps
BAUBLE49> OK Let us know
KOLTA:Kolta> We need to get agent Jeff in here
1CAVERAT> may slow down my responses, so bear with me on it
ROYCE3:Royce3> I have never been very confident that "sweeps" work, cave.
1ANDONLY1> any luck arming that nuclear device in china yet folks?
1CAVERAT> This one is VERY effective
BAUBLE49> land!!!!!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yeah, 1and, you may be getting a visit tonight from SAS.
KOLTA:Kolta> Just about ready 1and!
1ANDONLY1> I had a plutonium leak in my kitchen but I contained it
BAUBLE49> funny
1CAVERAT> that plutonium does that from time to time!
ROYCE3:Royce3> I love your glowing reports, 1and.
BAUBLE49> funny
KOLTA:Kolta> :-)
1CAVERAT> You should use a better quality zip lock baggie
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, I suggest that we hold up Cave's report until we see who
might be attending tonight.
1ANDONLY1> if you see a light in the sky tonight, it will be me
ROYCE3:Royce3> This could be a slow night.
1CAVERAT> OK by me
KOLTA:Kolta> But how long can Cave stay?
1CAVERAT> 7:30
BAUBLE49> Until midnite
KOLTA:Kolta> Good!!!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Cave is there any news about the missing time report you
mentioned some weeks ago?
1ANDONLY1> Great
1CAVERAT> That has reached a deadend. No new info
ROYCE3:Royce3> does that mean you have concluded all research into that
1CAVERAT> Until such time as new info is uncovered or revealed by the
witness, yes
1CAVERAT> He has been unable to relate anything else
ROYCE3:Royce3> About the show in Westmoreland--how many people will be on
hand with materials?
1CAVERAT> don't know at this time, Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> And where will you folks be setting up? Or where was it set up
last year?
1CAVERAT> some are still undecided or have not said yet
1CAVERAT> Didn't have it last year. It is usually center court

ROYCE3:Royce3> If you want to do any interviews, will you have access to a
conference room?
BAUBLE49> So you know if that mall is on Rt #30 Cave?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello Peregrin, welcome.
1CAVERAT> Possibly. At any rate we will have some type arrangements made
BAUBLE49> Hi Peregrin8
1CAVERAT> to insure privacy
KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> Will Stan be showing his film?
1CAVERAT> Yes Bauble. Rt30
ROYCE3:Royce3> The Kecksburg film?

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1CAVERAT> don't know about the video
ROYCE3:Royce3> did you get bumped, Kolta?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Is the video selling well?
1ANDONLY1> WB Kolta#
KOLTA:Kolta> I guess so. First time in a long time
1CAVERAT> so-so on sales
KOLTA:Kolta> Thanks 1and
KOLTA:Kolta> Hello
1ANDONLY1> Hello 2
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, let's continue with a couple of other things.
BAUBLE49> Hello All
ROYCE3:Royce3> How many of you have read the Reality Shift reports that we
have posted here off and on?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Once again, I will hold off with Cave's report for a bit.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I thought the last reality shift report was very good.
1CAVERAT> FSL/timeout 0:30
ROYCE3:Royce3> It dealt with the crabs.
1CAVERAT> no tyimeout
1ANDONLY1> ???
ROYCE3:Royce3> No timeout? What does that signify?
KOLTA:Kolta> ditto
BAUBLE49> sandcrabs
1CAVERAT> got to send every few minutes or I will loose my connection
1CAVERAT> sorry bout that
ROYCE3:Royce3> yes, how many of you read the report about the sand crabs?
ROYCE3:Royce3> ???
1ANDONLY1> missed it I think
ROYCE3:Royce3> How about the rest of you?
KOLTA:Kolta> Don't remember
BAUBLE49> I posted it because I really enjoyed it myself
ROYCE3:Royce3> I will post it now.
KOLTA:Kolta> ok
KOLTA:Kolta> ok
1CAVERAT> just don't get crabby about it
BAUBLE49> think he lost it
BAUBLE49> funny Cave
ROYCE3:Royce3> When I was a child, I saw an extraordinary thing one day at
the beach. My family and I were vacationing at a remote island in the Pacific
Ocean, and we spent a leisurely day on a quiet, uninhabited
ROYCE3:Royce3> beach. I sat by myself on a part of the beach populated by a
whole colony of sand crabs. These little crabs lived in holes in the sand
that each crab dug for itself, and at any sign of movement, the
ROYCE3:Royce3> crabs would scurry quickly down into their holes for safety.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I observed one of the crabs moving sand with its claw with
absent-minded proficiency, and I was mesmerized to see the effortless way it
obtained a scoop of sand and lifted it into the air. This
ROYCE3:Royce3> activity looked like so much fun to me that I made a similar
ball of sand and playfully tossed it over towards some crabs. The sand ball I
tossed actuall
ROYCE3:Royce3> Tell me when you have finished with this part.
KOLTA:Kolta> Finished
BAUBLE49> ok

ROYCE3:Royce3> In a matter of minutes, a dozen little crabs were all flinging
sand balls at one another with reckless abandon... none of the crabs
suspecting that the perpetrator of the whole sand ball fracas was
ROYCE3:Royce3> not a crab at all, but a human.
ROYCE3:Royce3> My experience with these sand crabs shows me that crabs
interpret what happens to them in terms they can understand, which may not be
the truest sense of what is actually happening. We humans are not
ROYCE3:Royce3> so different from crabs, in the sense that we also are only
capable of interpreting experience based on what we KNOW of reality. Some
forces are simply outside our realm of comprehension. The sand
ROYCE3:Royce3> crabs had no prior knowledge of humans, so they did not
imagine for a minute that I might have been the one who threw the first sand
ball, although my interaction with them had the effect of moving
ROYCE3:Royce3> almost every single crab on the beach into action.
BAUBLE49> ok
KOLTA:Kolta> Very good!!!
1CAVERAT> And thus another war was begun....
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are very likely living within a conceptualization of a
universe of which we have only a very limited understanding, just like the
crabs on the beach had no understanding of how anything besides
ROYCE3:Royce3> another crab could possibly throw a ball of sand. We have
something in common with those crabs, since we usually only consider other
human beings like ourselves to be responsible for affecting our
ROYCE3:Royce3> lives. When Captain Cook's sailing ship first approached the
island of Tahiti in the South Pacific, it was literally not noticed by the
inhabitants, even when Captain Cook and his crew pointed it out
ROYCE3:Royce3> tot hem, since the Tahitians had never seen such a vessel
before. Just as Captain Cook's ship was invisible to the Tahitians, I was
invisible to the sand crabs on the beach. We can't really
ROYCE3:Royce3> contemplate what we have no comprehension of, even if it is
right in front of us. The range of our knowledge of reality is limited by our
pre-existing beliefs, assumptions, and expectations.
BAUBLE49> I like that story
1CAVERAT> very good
ROYCE3:Royce3> I think this is a very interesting story. It really does
illustrate how we can overlook things that are essentially right in front of
our eyes.
ROYCE3:Royce3> We see what we expect to see.
BAUBLE49> reality shifts...
1ANDONLY1> brilliant Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> Cave you have probably been frustrated by the inability of
some people to remember details about UFO sightings.
ROYCE3:Royce3> do you have any suggestions as to how one might capture more
detail in their mind's eye, Cave?
BAUBLE49> That's why regression or hypnosis helps them to remember
1CAVERAT> yes i have. That and those who have preconceived notions about
what they report
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, regression might help.
KOLTA:Kolta> In some cases do not the ETs put a memory cap on the person?
1CAVERAT> I have seen it done and remain unconvinced. There is too much open
to suggestion from the hypnotist
BAUBLE49> You're saying it's better to have preconceived notions???
1CAVERAT> no Bauble, an open mind
BAUBLE49> ok
ROYCE3:Royce3> If I have enough time to really focus in on something visual
that I want to remember, I play a mental game with myself and pretend I'm
drawing the scene. That technique causes me to focus in a
ROYCE3:Royce3> way that I normally don't.
KOLTA:Kolta> There is a danger of the hypnotist asking leading questions
BAUBLE49> True K
1CAVERAT> Ive seen some do just that, K
1ANDONLY1> yes K
BAUBLE49> That's a great technique Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, it works for me, Bauble.
1ANDONLY1> the Question itself places the answer in the mind
ROYCE3:Royce3> Cave do you have any special techniques along that line?
1CAVERAT> They're usually fishing for witnesses to support their personal
BAUBLE49> True land
ROYCE3:Royce3> True, 1and.
1CAVERAT> I use multiple questioning techniques
ROYCE3:Royce3> Can you tell us more about that, Caverat?
1CAVERAT> Ask the same question in several ways
KOLTA:Kolta> Maybe I should go to Caverat
ROYCE3:Royce3> Kolta, you don't seem to have a memory problem.
1CAVERAT> I need to be careful however and not ask a leading question
ROYCE3:Royce3> Should the questions be presented in a written form?
KOLTA:Kolta> I do not have entire memories of how I got my scoop marks
1CAVERAT> Sometime based on a previous answer, a witness may bring out
additional details
ROYCE3:Royce3> Should there be a combination of both objective and essay
1CAVERAT> Both written and oral, Royce
BAUBLE49> Think K is talking about that psychologist we had on last night
KOLTA:Kolta> Right Bauble
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, so I gathered, Bauble.
1CAVERAT> Yes. My report always includes a request for a narrative of any
ROYCE3:Royce3> I wonder if we will hear from him again?
BAUBLE49> Said would see us tonite but no
KOLTA:Kolta> The nite is still young
BAUBLE49> And picture drawings also Cave?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, do you use picture drawings?
1CAVERAT> yes Bauble, where applicable
ROYCE3:Royce3> Do you ever have an artist try to help the witness?
1CAVERAT> maps and sketches of the area too
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Someone with good drawing skills?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello, onorth
1CAVERAT> Yes, Royce. Very common
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are discussing the correct way to question someone who has
seen a UFO.
ONORTH1> hi Royce
BAUBLE49> Are most sightings mainly lights in the sky?
1ANDONLY1> I thought we were discussing Reality shifts Royce
KOLTA:Kolta> Good 1and
1CAVERAT> The multiple question method also helps to uncover hoaxes where
that is a problem
ONORTH1> voice recognition analyizer, 90 percent effective
BAUBLE49> Are they expensive?
1CAVERAT> 70 percent of reports are just that, lights with no significant
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, 1and I'm trying to bring onorth up to speed on the
conversation as quickly as possible without a lot of involved explanations
about what a reality shift is.
1ANDONLY1> Ahhhh
ONORTH1> they are starting to use them even in local police depts. for
background investigations
ONORTH1> not only with the Feds
ROYCE3:Royce3> Is that right Onorth? I didn't realize it was that common now.
1ANDONLY1> what are they?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, many computers can help with that technique, too.
BAUBLE49> Oh, really R
1ANDONLY1> ??????
1CAVERAT> Takes specialized training to be effective or the witness can bluff
their way through, or so I've been told
ROYCE3:Royce3> Composites can be formed from stock images.
ONORTH1> they are a lot more effective/reliable than lie detector machines
1ANDONLY1> Are you as lost as me Kolta?
KOLTA:Kolta> A little lost
1CAVERAT> True, provided the results are properly interpreted
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, lie detectors can be beaten in a lot of ways.
1ANDONLY1> follow that crab
KOLTA:Kolta> We are really getting off topic
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, we are trying to determine the best way to get accurate
information from a witness.
ROYCE3:Royce3> The whole idea ties together, I think.
1ANDONLY1> just listen and understand
ROYCE3:Royce3> How do we obtain accurate reports.
1CAVERAT> true, Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> Sometimes, we have witnesses who are confused or trying to
make up stories.
1CAVERAT> Verify any claims with a second source if possible
1ANDONLY1> it is what the witness believes that is important!
KOLTA:Kolta> Good point 1and
1CAVERAT> Not always possible, but where it can be done it should be
ONORTH1> how about hypnosis?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, not always true, 1and. A Witness might see a ufo and not
know it.
1ANDONLY1> why does it need to be clarified?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Really we want to get the facts.
1ANDONLY1> then it doesn't matter Royce. To the witness
ROYCE3:Royce3> you have lost me there, 1and, why wouldn't we want to clarify?
BAUBLE49> we're not sold on hypnosis ONORTH
KOLTA:Kolta> Different people can have different realities
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hypnosis does have some basic shortcomings.
BAUBLE49> Then why do they report them at all?
1ANDONLY1> because what we would like ourselves is not as important as what
the witness is in need of Royce
1CAVERAT> Hypnosis allows for the hypnotist to insert his thoughts as the
session progresses
BAUBLE49> They want what happened verified
ONORTH1> I had a University Professor, ex-fbi agent, 20 years, didnt believe
in it
ROYCE3:Royce3> 1and, my personal desire is to get as objective of a report as
possible. But that is just my personal intent.
KOLTA:Kolta> But sometimes all the witness wants is someone to listen to them
ONORTH1> thought it was all garbage
1ANDONLY1> they want to understand why they are traumatized
ONORTH1> noway, nohow
BAUBLE49> Have you talked to that professor lately North?...
1CAVERAT> Correct royce. Not all witnesses need anything. Not all are

ONORTH1> then one day, his boss had him and his partners see a doc
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, I guess there are a lot of different agendas: We might
want to get reports for the good of humanity, or we might want to help heal
and nurture the witness.
KOLTA:Kolta> But some are traumatized and they need to be considered
ONORTH1> put him under for 20 minutes and he didnt even know it
BAUBLE49> And??
1ANDONLY1> Yes R & K
ROYCE3:Royce3> Those two agendas don't always go together smoothly.
1CAVERAT> Royce, both are valid points. It depends on the individual case
ONORTH1> he shared this story to my criminal justice class students
BAUBLE49> True Cave
ROYCE3:Royce3> So Onorth, were you impressed with the results?
BAUBLE49> We may all be walking around hypnotised and don't even know it.
ONORTH1> well, this Professor, I admired him, respected him, and he seemed
credible with his story
ROYCE3:Royce3> Very interesting, onorth.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, I want to change topics.
KOLTA:Kolta> Isn't it true that if you do not want to be hypnotized, you
cannot be?
1CAVERAT> Not all people can be hypnotized, though
ONORTH1> for years and years and years, he thought hypnosis was just a bunch
of hokey pokey
1ANDONLY1> so they say K
ROYCE3:Royce3> Cave you are here to give a report. i would like you to start
to focus on that.
KOLTA:Kolta> Thanks Cave. That is what I was trying to get at
ROYCE3:Royce3> Cave, can you start to talk about your trip?
BAUBLE49> If they know someone is trying to hypnotize them they can maybe
stop it
ONORTH1> and then, he couldnt believe it. He really stated he had no idea
what he was saying, doing, and his partners bagged on him about it afterwards
1CAVERAT> OK. give me minute to get it typed
KOLTA:Kolta> Sure, Cave. Take your time
BAUBLE49> good story ONORTH
ROYCE3:Royce3> Onorth, Cave has an interesting report about the area 51 that
he will be sharing. I think you may find it interesting. We have been sort of
waiting for it for a few days now.
1ANDONLY1> scratch chin
ONORTH1> there is a book on the market called Psychic Warrior
ROYCE3:Royce3> I have read that book, onorth.
1CAVERAT> The area 51 part of the trip itself was uneventful. We did go to
another location which has not received near the attention as 51 itself though
1ANDONLY1> do u recomend it Royce
1CAVERAT> It is about 450 miles from 51
ONORTH1> Can you believe the govt would go to that extent, Royce?
ROYCE3:Royce3> I think one should read it, 1and, but I don't trust the author.
BAUBLE49> Same M O as Area 51?
ONORTH1> all that manpower and money
1CAVERAT> There we (myself and another researcher who shall remain nameless)
conducted some studies
ROYCE3:Royce3> I have doubts about the story told in Psychic Warrior. There
are better books about remote viewing.
KOLTA:Kolta> Is it close toArea 51 Cave?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Tell us about those studies.
BAUBLE49> 450 miles K
1CAVERAT> We did see what we believe to be a manmade research project which
was very similar to the glowing lights reported at 51
BAUBLE49> So you had heard about this area before then Cave?
1CAVERAT> Videos were taken by the researcher and will be made public at his
time table
1CAVERAT> Yes I did Bauble
1ANDONLY1> what u saw glowing lights cav
KOLTA:Kolta> Is it as carefully monitored as Area 51?
1CAVERAT> Yes it is K
BAUBLE49> Do you think the government has places like this all over the US
ROYCE3:Royce3> Good question, Bauble.
1ANDONLY1> where is 450 from area 51
1CAVERAT> The lights rose horizontally and at an altitude of about 500 feet
divided into two and moved off horizontally
BAUBLE49> That's miles from Area 51 land
1CAVERAT> Yes Bauble, I do
1ANDONLY1> wow and u thought it was man made 1cav
ONORTH1> There is no doubt in my mind that there is life out there
1CAVERAT> I will not give more precise location at this time since it could
jeopardize the research being done by investigator
1ANDONLY1> anything else 1cav
BAUBLE49> Only lights or were they vehicle shaped Cave?
ONORTH1> have you seen the types of creatures that live in our oceans
ROYCE3:Royce3> What did you capture the images with Cave?
1CAVERAT> The area has several 138KV power lines which simply disappear into
the ground there
BAUBLE49> Like Lock ness, Yes
ONORTH1> I am a true evolutionary believer
ROYCE3:Royce3> Onorth, there are clearly a lot of strange happenings. Many
species are still being discovered.
1CAVERAT> We monitored the current flow on these lines using induction
pickups and found that the current decreased drastically just before a test
was conducted
1CAVERAT> Images are on high resolution video
BAUBLE49> You need to read the report posted on our message board ONORTH
about design versus evolution
KOLTA:Kolta> Interesting
ROYCE3:Royce3> Did you use any film cameras?
ONORTH1> We know dinos existed, 100 ft squids, sea horses, I mean there are
some really wierd looking fishes in the sea ya know
BAUBLE49> That should be good to see on video Cave
1CAVERAT> yes, but due to distance they were less than satisfactory
1ANDONLY1> yer and what lives in the bottom is not aware what lives on the top
1CAVERAT> We observed this from 8 miles away due to security
ROYCE3:Royce3> Onorth, I highly recommend that you read Forbidden Archeology
by Michael Cremo. It is a classic.
BAUBLE49> true land
ROYCE3:Royce3> Do you feel that security had any inkling of your party?
KOLTA:Kolta> Don't blame you Cave
ONORTH1> damnn Royce, what do ya do for a living? Well read.
BAUBLE49> It's cordonned off that far away Cave?
ROYCE3:Royce3> And what sort of security was at hand? Military?
ROYCE3:Royce3> I'm on the fringe Onorth.
ONORTH1> As long as you havent lost it
1CAVERAT> Yes they did
BAUBLE49> He's an avid reader ONORTH
KOLTA:Kolta> They did what Cave?
1ANDONLY1> yse what
1CAVERAT> They were not expecting as sophisticated equipment as we used though
BAUBLE49> Have it cordoned off K
ROYCE3:Royce3> You might also enjoy the work of Loyd Pye, Onorth. He talks a
lot about Bigfoot and such. His work is excellent. You can hear him
interviewed on the Jeff Rense show:
KOLTA:Kolta> There are 2 conversations and I am trying to concentrate on Cave
1CAVERAT> YES bauble, we got as close as we could at this time
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BAUBLE49> So your pleased with the results of your photos then?
ROYCE3:Royce3> And were they military personnel, Cave?
ONORTH1> Hey, I use to work Air Force security.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Sat welcome. we are talking about the trip Cave took.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> hi
1ANDONLY1> hi Sat
BAUBLE49> Are we very secure Onorth????
ROYCE3:Royce3> Funny Bauble.
1CAVERAT> Yes the photos are good. I'm more pleased with some other data
such as correlating the power surges with the sightings
ROYCE3:Royce3> Did you take any night viewing instruments?
BAUBLE49> Hope you will be ready for the event in Aug
ONORTH1> You know what I learned my 4 years in with the AF
KOLTA:Kolta> You said the power surges were less with the sightings? Cave?
ROYCE3:Royce3> What, onorth?
1CAVERAT> Yes we did have IR equipment but it was not especially effective in
this case
BAUBLE49> Maybse they needed the power before take offf K
ROYCE3:Royce3> Why wasn't it effective, Cave?
ROYCE3:Royce3> And was it active or passive?
KOLTA:Kolta> ???????
ONORTH1> The military is doing some heavy duty research with frequency
modulation techniques for the purpose of behavior modification and or tracking
1CAVERAT> Yes K. The current flow in the lines dropped several hours before
the sighting
ROYCE3:Royce3> That is most interesting, Onorth.
KOLTA:Kolta> Thanks Cave
ONORTH1> microwaves scare the hell out of me
1CAVERAT> Passive Royce
ONORTH1> and Im not talking the ones in yer kitchen
ROYCE3:Royce3> Cave, what do you think is the significance of the current
1CAVERAT> It just didn't show us any more than what we could viably see
ONORTH1> what happens when you blow in a dog whistle?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Were you monitoring the various radio frequencies?
1CAVERAT> Possibly the source of the power is not the grid, but the base
itself. It could be the base demands went up leaving less to be put out
rather than in
ROYCE3:Royce3> My dog runs away, Onorth.
ONORTH1> humans cant hear it, but that dog's behavior sure changes
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1CAVERAT> Radio freqs were monitored, nothing detected
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello sjw2000
SJWC2000> hi room
BAUBLE49> Hi sjw
SJWC2000> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are discussing a research trip to area 51 and related
terrain, Sjw.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hmmmm, that didn't take long.
BAUBLE49> Would you be able to detect microwaves, Cave?
KOLTA:Kolta> SJW left
1CAVERAT> We are currently trying to determine the direction of current flow
on the power lines
ROYCE3:Royce3> Just how much power do you estimate was flowing?
1CAVERAT> We will next time, this time no
ROYCE3:Royce3> Volts/amps???
KOLTA:Kolta> He answered your question Royce
ONORTH1> - signed off -
1CAVERAT> 4-6 megawatts 3 phase 138KV
KOLTA:Kolta> Sorry
1ANDONLY1> ooops
ROYCE3:Royce3> That is all right, Kolta.
ROYCE3:Royce3> That is a fair amount of power.
BAUBLE49> That's a lot
1CAVERAT> enough for a fair sized town
ROYCE3:Royce3> I would hate to put my wet fingers on that much power.
ROYCE3:Royce3> yes, it is, Cave.
1ANDONLY1> shocking
ROYCE3:Royce3> Indeed.
1CAVERAT> There could be additional lines as we did see some which we did not
ROYCE3:Royce3> Do you think they had aerial recon?
1CAVERAT> The one we concentrated on just went into the desert and went
ROYCE3:Royce3> I'm surprised you didn't have visitors from the base.
1CAVERAT> We saw none, but that doesn't mean there isn't
ROYCE3:Royce3> Was the sky clear ???
BAUBLE49> All they need is infrared
KOLTA:Kolta> How many of these types of bases do you think there are in the
country, Cave?
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> - signed off -
1CAVERAT> yes it was. I thought of satellites, too!
BAUBLE49> Oh yes Them too
ROYCE3:Royce3> What sort of structures were visible?
1CAVERAT> very few structures, mostly scaffolding and open frame type
ROYCE3:Royce3> Did you leave any sensing devices in place?
1CAVERAT> Royce, ;-)
ROYCE3:Royce3> Good.
BAUBLE49> Oh I get it
KOLTA:Kolta> How many of these type of bases do you think there are in this
country, Cave?
1CAVERAT> No way of knowing, but there are rumors of one just north of
KOLTA:Kolta> Really?????
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, I have to wonder about that report.
1ANDONLY1> Hmmmm
1CAVERAT> unconfirmed, of course
ROYCE3:Royce3> Are you talking about our friend in Butler?
KOLTA:Kolta> I think Michael W. may have implied that also Royce
1ANDONLY1> Would that be near Scryes black ley line
ROYCE3:Royce3> I'm not sure about that , 1and. I don't think so.
1ANDONLY1> worth a look?
BAUBLE49> What is Scryes black ley line?
ROYCE3:Royce3> We have had reports about the Butler area for a couple of
1CAVERAT> possibly, if I get more detailed info
KOLTA:Kolta> Scyre has yet to prove they were ley lines
ROYCE3:Royce3> That
ROYCE3:Royce3> is true.
1ANDONLY1> the negative area he spoke of the other week Baub
1CAVERAT> I missed that
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, you might want to check the log on that one, Cave.
BAUBLE49> Oh yeah No we are not talking about the same area land
1CAVERAT> It may have been while I was gone
1ANDONLY1> ohhh
BAUBLE49> think it was cave
1ANDONLY1> I just remembered he said out side Pittsburgh
BAUBLE49> Don't kknow what date to have you check the chat logs Cave
ROYCE3:Royce3> You folks should, by now, have the Terraserver web site link.
I sent it out about an hour ago. Maybe you will be able to see some of these
areas in question. The pictures aren't the greatest, but
ROYCE3:Royce3> they are cool.
1CAVERAT> I'll look for it
BAUBLE49> That was near Greensburg land The other is near Butler
1ANDONLY1> me too
1ANDONLY1> ah, its all a million miles from me Baub
1CAVERAT> The area I was at is blacked out on Terraserver, Royce. What's
that tell you?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Tell's me a lot.
BAUBLE49> But only 3 hours by the Concord ,land...
1ANDONLY1> true Baub
ROYCE3:Royce3> How about the Ruskie's server. i have forgotten the pictures
for cash URL.
BAUBLE49> Oh you've checked that out Cave?
1CAVERAT> yes I did
ROYCE3:Royce3> What did you think?
BAUBLE49> You ol' smartie Cave
BAUBLE49> Always one step ahead
1CAVERAT> Go to the IKONOS site if you want some really detailed photos from
Russian spy satellites
ROYCE3:Royce3> Was the area in question available in photos from them?
1CAVERAT> Doesn't cover a lot of areas but if you got the bucks, they'll
photograph whatever you want
BAUBLE49> Entrepreneurs!!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yeah.........but the area in question??????
1CAVERAT> Royce, you ask too many questions ;-)
ROYCE3:Royce3> There has been a lot of controversy about IKONOS site.
KOLTA:Kolta> Shame on you Royce!!!!
BAUBLE49> I'll be Jeff for the moment and remind everyone that it is almost
7:30. So say what you want now
1ANDONLY1> Sweet Dreams everyone.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Inquiring Minds Want To Know, as a great American newspaper is
so fond of saying.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Good night 1and.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Thank you for coming.
1CAVERAT> OK, I'm overtime on the FastLink server anyway
1ANDONLY1> night all
1ANDONLY1> - signed off -
BAUBLE49> Thanks Cave for the report. I'm sure you still have work to do with
it so Good Luck
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, thank you all for coming.
KOLTA:Kolta> Have a good nite everyone
ROYCE3:Royce3> Thank you for a great report ,Cave.
BAUBLE49> Night
1CAVERAT> I will keep you updated
BAUBLE49> bye
ROYCE3:Royce3> Very good, cave.
KOLTA:Kolta> Thanks Cave
BAUBLE49> - signed off -
1CAVERAT> later!!! bye all
ROYCE3:Royce3> Good night all.
ROYCE3:Royce3> - signed off -
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