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Editor's Note: After a slow start, this turns into an excellent chat! Logging at 8-MAR-2000 17:57)
KOLTA:Kolta> We come at once
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, put the coffee pot on and pass out the chips.
KOLTA:Kolta> Dip, also?
ROYCE3:Royce3> How is everyone's day going?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, onion dip is good.
JOASHA:Joasha> we are having chili and hot dogs for supper
KOLTA:Kolta> Got a lot done today
ROYCE3:Royce3> I love chili. But it has to be very, very hot.
JOASHA:Joasha> too tired to cook a big meal
JOASHA:Joasha> the house is really coming along. Got real emotional about it
today
ROYCE3:Royce3> It doesn't have to be big to be good.
KOLTA:Kolta> Very true
ROYCE3:Royce3> I just finished a snack of hot sauce and dried anchovies.
KOLTA:Kolta> Oh yuck!
JOASHA:Joasha> have never had a new home before and husband is really putting
so much into this house. Strong enough to last forever
ROYCE3:Royce3> I got them down at the PGH strip district--heads, tails and
all.
KOLTA:Kolta> Never mind, Royce!
JOASHA:Joasha> yuck!!!
JOASHA:Joasha> makes my hot dogs sound like a feast
ROYCE3:Royce3> Good stuff! As for the house, I'm sure it will be all worth
the effort, Joasha.
KOLTA:Kolta> I moved into a house last year. A lot of work!
JOASHA:Joasha> so what do you all think about some of the things we discussed
last night?
KOLTA:Kolta> Thought it was a good chat
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, I enjoyed the chat. I was wondering about how many of
you intend to go to conferences this summer.
ROYCE3:Royce3> At Giant Rock there will be one on Easter.
KOLTA:Kolta> Do you have a schedule of conferences, Royce?
JOASHA:Joasha> yes Kolta. Thank goodness for the wonderful circle of Sisters
that I have. They are going to be a big help in getting us moved in and
getting much of the cleaning and putting away done.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I have a list of a few; there's one coming up in AZ.
JOASHA:Joasha> sorry, but my lag time is really bad
ROYCE3:Royce3> No problem.
KOLTA:Kolta> Nothing to be sorry about Joasha
JOASHA:Joasha> and it seems as if my answers to your questions are really
coming late
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes moving is a big job.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Oh, they will get here in good time, Joasha. Don't be
concerned.
JOASHA:Joasha> I am giving real consideration to retiring from public
participation
JOASHA:Joasha> I really want to give much more time to my art and spend more
time working with the children
ROYCE3:Royce3> Anyway the conference in AZ features some interesting people:
Mrs. Targ, Charles Tart.
ROYCE3:Royce3> What sort of art do you do, Joasha?
KOLTA:Kolta> I would be interested in going to a conference
JOASHA:Joasha> have been to so many conferences in the past 20 years that I
am traveled out
ROYCE3:Royce3> I haven't been to many conferences. Some of them are very
good; others are a total waste of time.
KOLTA:Kolta> I have not been to too many either
ROYCE3:Royce3> Are there any speakers in particular that you would like to
hear?
JOASHA:Joasha> I am a loom beader and I make the leathers and beadwork for
many of the Native Elders as well as my own family and some of my work is
replicating ancient work for museums
KOLTA:Kolta> Sounds interesting Joasha
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, that does sound interesting.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Can you send some pictures?
ROYCE3:Royce3> I love native American subjects.
KOLTA:Kolta> So do I
ROYCE3:Royce3> How did you make the museum connection?
JOASHA:Joasha> the tribes contact me to remake or repair items that are
displayed
JOASHA:Joasha> wonder where the gang is?
KOLTA:Kolta> It is quiet
KOLTA:Kolta> I did not mean for you all to stop talking now!!!!!
KOLTA:Kolta> 99 bottles of beer on the wall, 99 bottles of beer!!!!!!
KOLTA:Kolta> Take one down and pass it around, 98 bottles of beer on the wall!
JOASHA:Joasha> 97 bottles of beer on the wall
KOLTA:Kolta> 97 bottle of beer
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ROYCE3:Royce3> wow
ROYCE3:Royce3> That is the worst ever.
JOASHA:Joasha> take one down
ROYCE3:Royce3> - signed off -
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JOASHA:Joasha> was just finishing the verse
KOLTA:Kolta> ok
ROYCE3:Royce3> I could not get back to save my soul
KOLTA:Kolta> I did not see you leave Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, I was gone, gone, gone.
JOASHA:Joasha> you never showed as having been booted
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yet my name was still in the memory bank.
KOLTA:Kolta> Odd
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, I saw that when I came back in.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Very odd.
JOASHA:Joasha> just thought you were eating more of that awful food and
passed out
ROYCE3:Royce3> Probably lost the log.
JOASHA:Joasha> you didn't miss anything. We were just singing
ROYCE3:Royce3> I started to ask about the museum on the way to Columbus--the
one that has the models of the Indian mounds. What's the name of the place?
JOASHA:Joasha> and getting drunk
ROYCE3:Royce3> I need to buy a case of beer.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Haven't had a case in a long while.
KOLTA:Kolta> All that beer on the wall
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes.
JOASHA:Joasha> that is Circle Mound Park. Just 20 minutes from my home
ROYCE3:Royce3> Oh, I see.
KOLTA:Kolta> Interesting
ROYCE3:Royce3> That's a great display.
JOASHA:Joasha> there are mounds everywhere around here
ROYCE3:Royce3> Are there organized tours of them?
JOASHA:Joasha> Newark and Heath are built on top and around many of them
JOASHA:Joasha> just privately arranged ones are the only ones I ever hear of.
KOLTA:Kolta> I think I am moving to Ohio
JOASHA:Joasha> we do ceremony several times a year at some of them
JOASHA:Joasha> would love to have you here Sis
KOLTA:Kolta> Thanks
JOASHA:Joasha> sorry, but am going to have to go at least for a little while.
Have to make some phone calls to sub contractors for tomorrow
ROYCE3:Royce3> Diane and I are planning on going to The Rogers, Ohio flea
market on Friday and then out to the mounds. Why don't you meet us there
Joasha?
JOASHA:Joasha> and eat my hot dogs
KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off -
JOASHA:Joasha> What Time!! I work on Fridays
JOASHA:Joasha> but will make time for this
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, we won't really know.
JOASHA:Joasha> then you are coming to Newark
ROYCE3:Royce3> We would probably get there around three.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I don't know where Newark is.
JOASHA:Joasha> Newark is where all of the mounds are
ROYCE3:Royce3> See, I didn't know the name.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I was there once.
JOASHA:Joasha> where are you coming to here in Ohio
ROYCE3:Royce3> It is just off the interstate, right?
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KOLTA:Kolta> Hi!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Just would be traveling west on 70.
JOASHA:Joasha> Newark is off of I 70 at the Route 79 Exit
JOASHA:Joasha> then it is about 10 miles north of 70
ROYCE3:Royce3> That is easy to find.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I wasn't sure of much in regard to the location, except that
it is off 70.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Almost immediately after you exit.
JOASHA:Joasha> and you come right up 79 to the park and it is on your left
at 79 and Hopewell, just past the Big Bear Grocery
ROYCE3:Royce3> Got it.
JOASHA:Joasha> Where is this flea market you were talking about?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Just over the Ohio/Pa border.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Chipewa is a stone's throw from it.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello Talon.
TALON25> hello
ROYCE3:Royce3> I figure we would be there around three.
JOASHA:Joasha> you must be going to a different Mound Park then. We are at
the 141 mile marker and Newark is about 10 miles further down the road
TALON25> are u all buzzing to night
ROYCE3:Royce3> No, I'm not suggesting that Cipewa and your place are in close
proximity.
JOASHA:Joasha> Hey Kolta, sorry to go, but have to make some calls. Try to
come back a little later
ROYCE3:Royce3> You have the place right, Joasha.
KOLTA:Kolta> Hurry back, Joasha
ROYCE3:Royce3> Things are quiet here, Talon.
TALON25> yer looks that way
JOASHA:Joasha> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> So have you been here before, Talon?
KOLTA:Kolta> Anything new with you Talon?
TALON25> yer last tues
ROYCE3:Royce3> This is the open chat day--and a slow one.
TALON25> is that u two scoops
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, excuse me. I'm terrible with names.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I don't follow.
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TALON25> i thought i met kolta last week
ROYCE3:Royce3> We were talking about some of the upcoming ufo conferences.
KOLTA:Kolta> You did
TALON25> could not connect to nexus on sunday
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello, Baal.
ROYCE3:Royce3> How goes it?
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BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> hello
ROYCE3:Royce3> I think there's a lot of network difficulty here today.
Congestion, I guess.
TALON25> hello
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Baal.
KOLTA:Kolta> wb Baal
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> My screen was re-sizing...
TALON25> its a conspiracy
ROYCE3:Royce3> A conspiracy of ignorance on the part of the Delphi crowd.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Just the software...
TALON25> perhaps they are all in adult chat
KOLTA:Kolta> A conspiracy of the software then
ROYCE3:Royce3> They have had plenty of time to fix it. This goes on and on.
Of course, it's a free system.
TALON25> freedom
ROYCE3:Royce3> Then again, I'm sure they are making money off our efforts, or
they wouldn't be here.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Exactly - you can't complain about what you're not
paying for...
TALON25> i can
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> If it bothers me that much - I just go do something
else, preferable in meat-space...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Meat Space......hmmmmmm.
TALON25> wheres that Ball
KOLTA:Kolta> meat-space?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Physical reality, i would guess.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, the point is, Delphi is making money off the show. We
are the show.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Yep... As opposed to cyberspace...
KOLTA:Kolta> ok
ROYCE3:Royce3> Commercialism can take many forms.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Especially in cyberspace.
KOLTA:Kolta> The advertising can be very distracting at times
ROYCE3:Royce3> So does anyone have a specific topic they would like to talk
about?
TALON25> my big toe has an eye on the end of it
TALON25> and my foot has two ears
ROYCE3:Royce3> Talon, you have a third eye.
TALON25> yep
TALON25> i know where im treading
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, I think you should consider nipping the foot off and
dedicating it to science.
ROYCE3:Royce3> It would be the right thing to do.
TALON25> ouch
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ROYCE3:Royce3> It won't hurt....much. Just burn a bit when the knife digs in.
KOLTA:Kolta> The politically correct thing to do
SEQUIARED> hi
TALON25> they would gain no benefit
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello, Sequiared, welcome.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Actually - our fingers and toes DO have photoreceptor
cells similar to the ones in our eyes - except that they are sensitive to IR
and thermal radiation instead of visual light...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Sometimes it is the thought that counts, Talon.
TALON25> wow
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, Baal, some parapsychologists have talked about that.
TALON25> yer when they was stoned
ROYCE3:Royce3> There's been quite a lot of research on the subject, both in
Russia--the former Soviet Union--and china.
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TALON25> hello russia
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi NSC2 Welcome.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> I've also seen data showing that Chi Kung masters are
also able to emit Infrared and thermal radiation from their bodies... I've
done the tibetan snow-melting trick myself...
NSC2> Hello Roycel, and thank you.
TALON25> I casn expell methane gas
ROYCE3:Royce3> Most folks into Qi Gong/Chi Kung, soon learn to control chi.
KOLTA:Kolta> Baal, is that why we see auras or am I confusing this with
something else?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Don't create any sparks, Talon.
TALON25> chiwowa
NSC2> Ufo's hmm? I have an interesting question in that area.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Yes - and part of chi seems to manifest an infrared
radiation. There may be some activity in the radio frequencies as well...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Go ahead, NSC
NSC2> This a hypothetical scenario.
TALON25> proceed
NSC2> We've received a signal from sentient life throughout the galaxy.
ROYCE3:Royce3> ok
NSC2> Do you automatically assume that the aliens have good intentions? Or
otherwise?
TALON25> i read it in the tabloids
ROYCE3:Royce3> Personally, I wouldn't assume a thing.
KOLTA:Kolta> The transmission would have to be studied very carefully
ROYCE3:Royce3> Some suggest that if we receive a signal, we shouldn't
respond.
TALON25> more reason to do it
KOLTA:Kolta> Then why do we send out signals ourselves?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Some scientists take that view--that it would be too dangerous.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> So far as I know "good intentions" are good for making
infernal pavement, IMO. I would doubt that aliens would come to be our
"saviours" though... If they are anything like us, they'd probably
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> study us and see what we are - perhaps communicate if
it is possible...
TALON25> i live for danger
NSC2> Or if they were anything like "US" They'd destroy us for fear of their
own superiority,
TALON25> no they havent any
ROYCE3:Royce3> I find it unlikely that they would fear us.
NSC2> Are you so sure?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Can't be sure.
KOLTA:Kolta> Then, why come all this way just to destroy us?
NSC2> We don't know what their fears would be?
TALON25> fear is common to earth
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> That's too much of a generalization... Not every
human attacks the unknown on site - otherwise we'd be at war constantly, in
the open on the streets...
ROYCE3:Royce3> You have a point, nsc.
NSC2> Baazephon? What part of the world do you live in? Utopia?
KOLTA:Kolta> Baal also has a point
TALON25> without humanity you cannot find inhumanity
NSC2> People do attack others in the street.
NSC2> Physically and mentally.
ROYCE3:Royce3> The Brookings Institute suggested that our civilization would
be harmed by contact with ETs--as a result of culture shock.
KOLTA:Kolta> But not all the time NSC
KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off -
NSC2> That's what I was wondering too Royce.
TALON25> suggested by fear
NSC2:Nate> There, that's better.
ROYCE3:Royce3> If they were greatly superior to us, our own institutions and
power center could be rendered obsolete.
NSC2:Nate> Humans don't exactly have the greatest record for getting along
with those who are different.
TALON25> exactly
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> NSC - No - I live in the real world... I've had 3
feet of steel thrust into my body as well as a serrated dagger - and I know
that it doesn't happen every single second of every moment to every
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> person in every community...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Our Power Elite would have the most to lose.
NSC2:Nate> I'm not so sure about that Royce.
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NSC2:Nate> We assume that a superior race automatically means that they are
stronger than us.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Baal, you have to retire from sword swallowing.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> sometimes - we are just to tired to go on our 24/7
killing rampages - people need time to eat, sleep and procreate too between
genocides...
TALON25> if a race is truly superior then it knows it is not
NSC2:Nate> Baalzephon, I said mentally as well. And that does happen every
second.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> And if we were so warlike - how come the world isn't
a nuclear wasteland yet?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, I have the feeling that the Ets can take care of
themselves.
NSC2:Nate> You mean a portion of the world isn't all ready?
KOLTA:Kolta> I think so too Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> Baal, give us some time. And the world is an utter disaster
for many.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Please - if you think the fallout from some tests is
bad, how would you react when the real thing happens?
NSC2:Nate> Maybe we've matured, but we're not in the full adulthood of a race
that would be required for us to leave our world permanently.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> No of course not - but so long as there is life -
there is room to improve it...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, we may have matured a bit. But I suggest that the
situation in Russia should not make us too hopeful. China is no garden either.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Not to mention Africa.
KOLTA:Kolta> As long as there is life, there is hope
NSC2:Nate> Neither is America.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> I wouldn't go so far as invoking hope... LOL!
TALON25> as long as there is hope there is life
KOLTA:Kolta> As long as we continue to think so negatively, there will be no
hope
NSC2:Nate> And if a thousand people hope, so long as one hundred of those
people lived it would count right?
TALON25> its a question of perspective
TALON25> life is what u make it
KOLTA:Kolta> Very good point, Talon
ROYCE3:Royce3> I'm all for hope, but I recognize that most people live under
very marginal conditions.
ROYCE3:Royce3> The U.S. being a notable exception.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> I can think of worse places to be... I mean - I can
walk down the street (and I live two blocks away from the Hells Angels
clubhouse) without fear of dying from a gunshot wound... I have nothing
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> to complain about - I have my health, my mind, and my
friends - life is damned near utopian in that regard... Maybe the ETs are
intelligent enough to tell the difference between Herd behaviour and
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> free-thinking individuals...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, our value system may not be of any importance to them.
NSC2:Nate> But back to the topic of the Higher ones. I think they see us as a
threat to them. If they can hear all of our transmissions and if they are
watching us they
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Look Nate, I'm as much for total oblivion as the next
guy - and yes I think that if 10% of the population survive our excesses -
then we're doing pretty good...
KOLTA:Kolta> Some ETs already are interacting with us, Talon
TALON25> whos to say any will survive?
ROYCE3:Royce3> 10% survival rate? Hmmmmm, pretty bleak.
NSC2:Nate> You are right Baalzephon, I'm not saying you're situation is any
less than anyone elses. I'm just speaking my opinion.
TALON25> and should we as a species?
ROYCE3:Royce3> I just can't see how a civilization that could come to our
solar system to visit would find us much of a threat. We can't even get past
the moon.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Their weapons systems would be far superior to ours.
NSC2:Nate> Royce, have they landed on Earth yet?
NSC2:Nate> And what if they don't have weapons?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Have they landed? I suspect so.
TALON25> its not what we do physically its how we think that is dangerous
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Everyone has weapons - even if their tooth and claw...
KOLTA:Kolta> It is no accident that there were sightings after we dropped the
atomic bomb
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, our TV could destroy their minds, I suppose.
NSC2:Nate> What if they abolished their weapons long ago realizing how
dangerous they were, and now they are looking to speak to others.
TALON25> our collective mind full of fear and hate would destroy them
NSC2:Nate> But since we have what they found to be dangerous, they are afraid
of us. But they see some small potential, so they come back frequently to see
if we have grown, but each time they come, we haven't.
ROYCE3:Royce3> We might be a bit like a nest of hornets, I guess. And as
hornets cause people trouble, I supposed we could cause the Ets trouble. But
that would only be in a minor way.
KOLTA:Kolta> They already are interacting with us Talon
TALON25> that means little kolta
KOLTA:Kolta> It does??????
NSC2:Nate> I'm not blind to interaction from the hostile ones. The ones we
call Greys. Or the Reptillian.
TALON25> its to make sure we do not contaminate them
KOLTA:Kolta> They are not all hostile
NSC2:Nate> I know that.
ROYCE3:Royce3> In passing, I might also suggest that it is unlikely that
they communicate via the electromagnetic spectrum.
TALON25> they are preservationists
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Anyone that totally disarms themselves invites
oblivion... Imagine the look on the aliens' faces after they totally
disarmed their planets of their magick ray guns, only to find that they could
have
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> used them on the comet that's about to cause immanent
destruction... Weapons will always exist, as long as accidents and violence
exist...
NSC2:Nate> That thought has crossed my mind as well Royce.
NSC2:Nate> Exactly Baal
TALON25> then remove them
NSC2:Nate> They say the Roswell UFO was a signal to us.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Besides - from what I've heard - these so called
"higher" beings have not much to prove their superiority over us except their
technology... I have yet to hear any "messages" from any of them that
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> haven't been spewed off by a human over the last 6000
years...
TALON25> - signed off -
NSC2:Nate> To tell us of their existence.
ROYCE3:Royce3> It's quite possible that these beings are multi-dimensional.
Our physically oriented weapons probably mean little to them.
NSC2:Nate> Maybe. It would take billions of years to evolve to that level. So
lets assume, that there are other races who each evolve at their own paces.
KOLTA:Kolta> Only if they are in another dimension Royce. They are capable
of being shot
KOLTA:Kolta> if they are in our dimension
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, if multi-dimensional beings choose to be in our
dimension, yes, they could be at risk. However, when someone can totally
disengage from a bad situation by going to another dimension, I don't
ROYCE3:Royce3> think that they, as a whole, have much to worry about.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Anything that exists in this reality, even as a three
dimensional cross-section, would be somewhat vulnerable to the laws of
physics in this realm... You think we'd be immune to bi-section from a
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> two-dimensional weapon???
NSC2:Nate> Actually, we would. We could easily out maneuver a two-dimensional
weapon.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, I agree. They could be at risk when coming into our
dimension.
KOLTA:Kolta> After all, some ETs died at the Roswell crash
ROYCE3:Royce3> Nate, I'm not sure I follow you.
NSC2:Nate> Two dimensions can only move left and right.
KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off -
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Really - but its two dimensional... If the edge is
coming toward you - how do you see it??? We could bisect ourselves by
accident???
NSC2:Nate> Imagine a two dimensional drawing Royce.
ROYCE3:Royce3> More technical trouble.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> All right.
NSC2:Nate> These two dimensional beings can only move left and right.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Especially if we walked through such a universe
without knowing it...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Oh, I follow you, Nate. <grin>
NSC2:Nate> Then, we draw a box around them, do you have it now?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes
NSC2:Nate> Excellent. :)
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JOASHA:Joasha> hey
NSC2:Nate> Hi Joasha.
KOLTA:Kolta> Hi joasha
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, let's put it another way: Multi-dimensional beings have
a huge advantage over humans.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Joasha.
NSC2:Nate> Exactly. Only, to them, we are four dimensional beings.
KOLTA:Kolta> I will agree with that Royce
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Yes - Nate, but how do you perceive them in the first
place unless you know what you are looking for... Perhaps ETs have a similar
level of obliviousness to our existence... They shrug us off as
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> some insignificant Edwin Abbott novel about 3D
people... Totally harmless...
NSC2:Nate> But like I said Baal, if we assume that there are an infinite
number of races in our universe, than at least a small percentage of those
beings are on our level. They do see us, and that's where the
NSC2:Nate> contact comes in to play.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I think Baal has a good point. Only a tiny percentage of
humans are able to sense beings and life forms beyond our ordinary, everyday
reality.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Mind you - we still have no stronger evidence than
hearsay to work with - so the argument is pretty moot.
JOASHA:Joasha> - signed off -
NSC2:Nate> Argument maybe, Philosophy, no, Theory, never.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, mystics dispute the hearsay notion.
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LOWNDS:Boogieman> hello all
NSC2:Nate> Hello Lownds.
LOWNDS:Boogieman> hi nate
KOLTA:Kolta> Some things exist that cannot be proven
NSC2:Nate> I agree.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Various esoteric schools lay out what is necessary to
experience other planes of reality.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Boo.
LOWNDS:Boogieman> Hi Royce
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> And what do those "mystics" offer to substantiate
their position, other than hearsay or their "say-so"??? LOL
NSC2:Nate> Baal, have you ever seen ten million dollars?
ROYCE3:Royce3> They give one the methodology to prove it to one's self.
KOLTA:Kolta> The mystics have their experience. They need nothing else
NSC2:Nate> Has anyone ever seen ten million dollars?
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> If I answer, will I be drawn into a logic trap?
NSC2:Nate> Care to venture? :)
ROYCE3:Royce3> If proof is something you
have to have demonstrated to the satisfaction of a mainstream, Western scientist , then you will be disappointed with the argument of the mystics.
NSC2:Nate> If you'll indulge me a moment, I'll explain.
KOLTA:Kolta> Western society makes the mistake of separating physical from
spirit
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Yes - and you have to take their word that it works
the way they say it does... Take this for example, many mystics claim the
"astral body" has a silver cord - and yet only about 5% of astral
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> projectors perceive it - are the other 95% wrong???
NSC2:Nate> Bank owners, and rich people claim to have ten million dollars. So
do Bank owners, and treasurers.
LOWNDS:Boogieman> - signed off -
NSC2:Nate> But I have not seen this ten million.
NSC2:Nate> I hear from others that it exists.
NSC2:Nate> Yet, being at my financial level, I have not seen this for myself.
Should I assume this is not real because I cannot see it?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Baal, even in Western science there is disagreement about
specific aspects of a phenomena. And I would be careful about stating figures
like 5%. I doubt you can substantiate that figure.
KOLTA:Kolta> If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around, does it make a
sound?
NSC2:Nate> If a tree falls in the woods on a mime does anyone hear the mime
scream?
ROYCE3:Royce3> You don't have to take a mystics word for anything. That is
the whole point. You just have to go to the realms inhabited by a mystic and
find out for yourself.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> The thing is, you can argue till your blue in the
face... Myself - I've had certain "experiences"... As to whether these have
spiritual value or are just responses that I've been conditioned to
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> expect because of indoctrination cannot be proven one
way or another... it still boils down to one person's word against another...
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1CAVERAT> Hi all
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Royce - 5% could be any number... The point is its
still one group of people's word against another...
NSC2:Nate> I'm sorry, I was trying to clear the tension in the room. We were
getting too serious.
NSC2:Nate> Hi Caverat
ROYCE3:Royce3> I think you are missing the point, Baal. There is a method
for one to find out the truth for one's self.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Cave
NSC2:Nate> - signed off -
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Yes - its called "don't take my word for it"...
1CAVERAT> Can't stay long. supposed to be working!
ROYCE3:Royce3> It's good to have you Cave.
KOLTA:Kolta> I think Royce is saying that we all have part of the truth
within us
ROYCE3:Royce3> We only have a short time until closing.
1CAVERAT> what is topic?
1CAVERAT> I thought we went from 7 to 8:30
1CAVERAT> on Wedsnesday
ROYCE3:Royce3> No, you didn't read the post, Cave. Shame on you.
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> Anyways - I've developed a rather intangible ache in
my head now... I have no way to prove it is real though, except that I say
so... Now you have to decide for yourself - is Baal's head really
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> aching or is he delusional?
1CAVERAT> I consider myself whipped!
ROYCE3:Royce3> To that degree you are correct, Baal. But for the larger
truths about the existence of other planes of existence, the mystics provide
a wonderful path that we all can follow if we so choose.
ROYCE3:Royce3> You don't have to take anyone's word for anything.
KOLTA:Kolta> Hello
BAALZEPHON:Baalzephon> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are here, kolta.
KOLTA:Kolta> The silence was deafening
ROYCE3:Royce3> Anyway, we have come to the end of another chat.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I want to thank you all for coming. This has been excellent.
1CAVERAT> I am totally out of this discussion.
ROYCE3:Royce3> We will be back next Tuesday at 6.
KOLTA:Kolta> Lively chat
ROYCE3:Royce3> You need to have come earlier, Cave.
1CAVERAT> later...
KOLTA:Kolta> Poor Caverat!
ROYCE3:Royce3> bye
ROYCE3:Royce3> Life is full of disappointment.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I will see you all next week.
ROYCE3:Royce3> bye all.
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