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ROYCE3:Royce3> HI Dorcasq.
DORCASQ> Hi Anyone?
ROYCE3:Royce3> hi
DORCASQ> Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> Good to see you tonight.
DORCASQ> How ya doin?
ROYCE3:Royce3> I think this may be a slow night.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello Bauble
DORCASQ> You wouldn't say that if you could really see me!
DORCASQ> Hey Baub!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Are you still in costume?
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Hello All
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Hey what are you doing here, Dorc?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hey, Dorcasq, just put that snappy beret on!
DORCASQ> I'm just worn out - too many Halloween parties last night, hahaha
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Slumming it, maybe??
DORCASQ> I'm too tired to do anything else.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I guess you were just dancing the night away!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Must be exciting--life in the fast lane!
DORCASQ> And SOMEONE has to get a proper log!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, that is true about the log.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Are you allowed to tell us what went on at these parties....?
DORCASQ> No
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yeah, we don't have any friends anymore!
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1CAVERAT> PUSH
DORCASQ> You are both too young.
1CAVERAT> hi all
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hey, Cave, welcome.
1CAVERAT> whats up tonite?
ROYCE3:Royce3> I hope you can stay tonight ,Cave. This is a slow night.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Too young for what
DORCASQ> Hi Cave
1CAVERAT> for a while, unless something breaks here
DORCASQ> Too young to know what goes on at these adult parties, Bab
1CAVERAT> no boss
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Are you going to that talk tomorrow night, Cave?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Cave, I don't think we will be able to make the talk tomorrow,
although we would like to.
1CAVERAT> OK I just posted it in case anyone was interested
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Oh, OK. I'm so naive
DORCASQ> What talk is for tomorrow?
1CAVERAT> UFO coverup is the topic
DORCASQ> Sounds like a good topic!
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Sounds interesting. Have you ever heard this guy talk
before, Cave?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well drive out to our place, Dorc. Then the three of us can
get lost.
1CAVERAT> Yes. He has some interesting sources
DORCASQ> You just want my left over candy, Royce.
ROYCE3:Royce3> No, No, we want the pleasure of your company!!!!!
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Then you can stay overnight and go to lunch with Linda Irene
and me!!
DORCASQ> Suuuurrrre
ROYCE3:Royce3> Cave make an audio recording!
BAUBLE49:Bauble> He sings??
1CAVERAT> I will have a copy by Friday
DORCASQ> Make an audio video
ROYCE3:Royce3> As long as he doesn't dance around the facts, Bauble.
DORCASQ> ha
1CAVERAT> It is to be done by WVU
ROYCE3:Royce3> Good deal, cave.
1CAVERAT> They will make it available
DORCASQ> That means you will have to PAY for it, Royce.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yeah, yeah Dorcasq!
ROYCE3:Royce3> I will let cave evaluate the tape first.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> If it is any good we will get a copy.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello Kolta, welcome.
KOLTA:Kolta> Hi all!
DORCASQ> Hi Kolta!
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Hi K
1CAVERAT> Our group has made arrangements to archive a copy
BAUBLE49:Bauble> On your site?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Are they making videos, too, Cave?
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello, Jeff Love, welcome.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Hi J
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> hi
1CAVERAT> No. They will use the WVU copy
DORCASQ> Hey, the whole gang is here, Hi Jeff.
KOLTA:Kolta> Hi Jeff
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Did you have a good time last night Kolta?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Is the series generally well attended, Cave?
KOLTA:Kolta> Yes, I did. I had a lot of kids. I dressed up as a witch and
sat on the porch to give out the candy.
1CAVERAT> About 200 each night, although this particular lecture is not one
of the series
DORCASQ> Sounds like fun, K.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Wow, that's great, Cave.
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> What was the topic?
KOLTA:Kolta> It was fun Dorc
1CAVERAT> The series lecture is tonight, but I'm not going to this one
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BAUBLE49:Bauble> 201 kids you mean. You forgot to include yourself, K
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Hi Rayb2k
1CAVERAT> Tonight's topic deals with chemotherapy and cancer treatments
ROYCE3:Royce3> Cave did you ever hear of people recording voices of ghosts or
spirits with a tape recorder. As the story goes, one doesn't hear the voices
until the tape is played. The sounds aren't audible to the
ROYCE3:Royce3> human ear when they are first made. According to the best
reports, this sound isn't stray RF.
DORCASQ> 200 people at the lecture, Baub.
RAYB2K> greetings all
KOLTA:Kolta> :-( I have never grown up
DORCASQ> Hi RayB
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Ray
RAYB2K> any other aliens out there?
1CAVERAT> I have investigated several claims with less than satisfactory
results
ROYCE3:Royce3> Did you get anything on the tapes?
DORCASQ> Are you an alien, Ray?
ROYCE3:Royce3> How bad is "less than satisfactory?"
1CAVERAT> Generally those tapes always mysteriously disappear or the people
don't make them available for analysis
BAUBLE49:Bauble> You're correct again D --lecture
RAYB2K> yes but i'm not alienated
DORCASQ> That is good to hear, Ray.
1CAVERAT> I have never recorded anything in times I tried it
ROYCE3:Royce3> Jeff Rense had folks on last night playing quite an
assortment. The people sounded quite credible; however, you can't go on that.
RAYB2K> i'm quite well integrated actually, considering
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ROYCE3:Royce3> This is an open chat day, so we can talk about any thing we
want.
1CAVERAT> I would like to do a mag scan on tapes to authenticate the claims
KOLTA:Kolta> That is good Ray
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Hi Alc
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> hey all!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello Alchemira, welcome.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Hey Bauble
DORCASQ> Hi Alch
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Hello Royce, good to see you.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Hi Dorcasq.
ROYCE3:Royce3> How is your week going, Alchemira?
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are just in the process of choosing a topic.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Honestly? a bit slow, but not as if that was bad :)
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Maybe the people at the hauntings making the recordings
projected their thoughts onto the tape, like Peter Hurkos did with pictures
from a camera.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yesterday, we talked a good bit about chi.
RAYB2K> chi guevara?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> I apologize for not being here, had to take care of a
few things.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> funny Ray
ROYCE3:Royce3> The subtle energy force. I have an interesting piece of
material that I can share with you.
DORCASQ> Chi Chi's?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lol
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> mmmm...food.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lol
KOLTA:Kolta> :-)
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, Chi Chi's fine cuisine.
1CAVERAT> Possibly, but a mag scan could probably determine how the recording
was made
DORCASQ> Sorry....I'm HUNGRY
RAYB2K> let's see this material then, does it glow in the dark?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Is the material posted Royce?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lol
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Radioactive writing? Sounds like computer work.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> That could be a good test, Cave But like you said they don't
give anyone their tapes to be tested
ROYCE3:Royce3> Chi glow in the dark? Hmmm, no , I have never heard that
claimed.
RAYB2K> bauble, who is "they"?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> If you can see auras, it might glow, but otherwise, me
neither.
1CAVERAT> I had a personal run-in with one of these people at a radio station
I was doing tech work for a few years back
KOLTA:Kolta> And what are these tapes on?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Ray, there's been a good bit of lab work done on the subject,
I can refer you to controlled studies if you like.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> The people who make the recordings on tape
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Are they audio, video?
1CAVERAT> The guest made all sorts of claims for her tapes and when I
volunteered to authenticate them, she was GONE!
BAUBLE49:Bauble> That's true Alc
RAYB2K> what subject? i came in late
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Beta, vhs?
1CAVERAT> audio tapes, Alchemira
BAUBLE49:Bauble> That's what I mean, Cave
RAYB2K> spectral voices?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Personally, I don't have feelings one way or the other about
these tape recordings.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> okay.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Yes Ray
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Thanks Cave. :)
KOLTA:Kolta> Recordings of what on tape?
DORCASQ> Recordings of ghosts I think, Ray
ROYCE3:Royce3> Ray, presently, there isn't a formal topic.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> That was what was on the tapes and the people said they
didn't put them there
RAYB2K> well lets' make one up
ROYCE3:Royce3> We can change that if anyone wants to.
1CAVERAT> She said she was saving damage to my equipment. I would have
gladly sacrificed the equipment if thats what it took
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, cave , do you consider all such recordings as bogus?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Im just getting out of swingdance mode, so still warming
up.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> I should think so Cave!!
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> - signed off -
RAYB2K> my equipment was damaged a long time ago
ROYCE3:Royce3> I know the feeling, Ray.
1CAVERAT> Royce, lets use the term unsubstantiated at this point
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> I agree Cave.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> What were you doing with it Ray
DORCASQ> You would ask, Baub.
RAYB2K> it wasn't me who did it honest
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> What happened?
RAYB2K> it wasa "they", ,the things inside the tapes
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> the things inside the tapes?
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Tell us about that ,Ray.
RAYB2K> they started messing around with my specrometer
KOLTA:Kolta> Hi 1and
1ANDONLY1> Hi room
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Hi landonlyl
ROYCE3:Royce3> hello, 1andonly1
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Hello 1and
DORCASQ> Hi 1andonly1
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are talking about tape recordings of spirits.
1ANDONLY1> EVP?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Tapes that aren't audible to the human ear until after they
are recorded.
ROYCE3:Royce3> That is it: EVP.
RAYB2K> tapes are boring! there, i said it.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> hello steve.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Hello Steve
KOLTA:Kolta> Tapes that are not audible to the human ear until they are
recorded????? Tapes are recordings!!!!
DORCASQ> I'm still trying to figure out what EVP stands for...hmmm
KOLTA:Kolta> Hi Steve
STEVE6101> hello everyone
1ANDONLY1> we are now back to GMT over here, could you please give me a time
check for your end?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi steve.
1ANDONLY1> Hi Steve
ROYCE3:Royce3> 6:25 est pm
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Welcome back, Jeff.
1ANDONLY1> TY Royce
KOLTA:Kolta> wb Jeff
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> wb jeff
STEVE6101> hi jeff
1ANDONLY1> Hi Jeff
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, I'm neutral about this subject of the tapes. How do the
rest of you feel?
BAUBLE49:Bauble> The people on the talk show said they would record in
haunted houses and when they listened later they heard voices that weren't
theirs on it Kolta
RAYB2K> is there aural sex on these tapes?
KOLTA:Kolta> Thanks Bauble
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Its interesting
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> cute ray.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> funny Ray Good pun
1CAVERAT> Ghost of a chance, Ray
RAYB2K> talk show!!!!!
1ANDONLY1> Electronic Voice Projection Dor
DORCASQ> Ahhhhh tx 1and
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> Tonight On mike Siegel show a program about dimensional
travel
STEVE6101> would seem if you could hear them on the tapes you could hear them
when there
DORCASQ> You would think so, Steve.
RAYB2K> this is medieval...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, that would be a natural conclusion, Steve. Of course,
that is part of the mystery.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> makes sense, the audio spectrum that a human hears
doesn't change when the media changes, does it?
1CAVERAT> The phenomena as reported may involve a form of energy being
directly imposed on the tape, not sound
RAYB2K> don't get medieval on me!
STEVE6101> wouldn't think so
KOLTA:Kolta> That sounds logical Cave
DORCASQ> We are only mid-evil, Ray
1ANDONLY1> the mystery is that of frequencies
STEVE6101> eletro magnetic energy
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> I guess an entity would do anything it could to be heard.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> true.
1CAVERAT> I have attempted to use various magnetic and electrostatic pickups
without success
STEVE6101> tapes are magnetic ,aren't they
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, Steve.
RAYB2K> we are all entities trying to be heard!
KOLTA:Kolta> True Ray
ROYCE3:Royce3> I would say not, Ray. There's little sign of that.
RAYB2K> trying to listen, to understand.. but p;lease let's not go back in
time
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Like I mentioned earlier, Peter Hurkos could project
pictures on film just by looking into the camera. Maybe these people
projected their thoughts onto the recordings...???
RAYB2K> to the mists of the middle ages. tapes indeed. ghosts!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, I remember Hurkos. Is he now dead?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> energy imprints. hmm
RAYB2K> panem et circi
BAUBLE49:Bauble> I don't know Royce
KOLTA:Kolta> We can create with our thoughts so why can't we imprint our
thoughts on tape?
BAUBLE49:Bauble> I agree, Kolta
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> one is a bit more difficult than the other.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> but doable.
STEVE6101> why would the ghosts put it on a tape to be heard later?
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Yes
RAYB2K> because you need to do something physical with the thought, like type
something
ROYCE3:Royce3> I'm not sure that I believe in ghosts, but I do believe that
there are imprints from the past left in many areas. Living beings somehow
leave a kind of psychic picture of themselves.
1CAVERAT> I have equipment to sense fields. You all find the haunted house
and we can try to record something.
RAYB2K> or draw something, or paint or design or...talk
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Very true royce.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> True Ray
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> are there ghost ets?
KOLTA:Kolta> Well, my house is filled with spirits. I do hear them.
STEVE6101> theres one in New Mexico in fact two that I know of
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Interesting one jeff.
RAYB2K> what do they say? why don'tthese ghosts say anything interesting??
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Some have said that et's have reincarnated into the
human society.
RAYB2K> or do anything interesting ??
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, sound to our ears is created by wind pressure. Such is
not the case if a direct electrical signal is passed on to a tape recorder.
STEVE6101> dennis hopper used to own one of them
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Would you consider your house a good one to record in then,
Kolta?
1ANDONLY1> they may do Ray, but who listens
KOLTA:Kolta> Anytime Caverat wants to come over and record, he is welcome.
RAYB2K> lots of people have listened and tape recorded but nothing
interesting has come from it
ROYCE3:Royce3> Usually the ghosts seem to be talking about something that was
traumatic to them when they were alive, Ray. Or at least that is often the
case.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Very good, land
RAYB2K> tell me one interesting thing a ghost has said!
DORCASQ> What would you consider to be interesting, Ray?
1CAVERAT> Royce, if it is a magnetic source you can use a coil of wire to
sense it
RAYB2K> try me
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> I could, but its not appropriate for this room.
ROYCE3:Royce3> True, Cave.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Simple inductance.
RAYB2K> induction!!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> yep
1CAVERAT> Royce, if they discuss things relavent to their lives, that data
could be verified by researching their past
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Do you believe in ghosts at all Ray?
BAUBLE49:Bauble> True, Cave
KOLTA:Kolta> Are we differentiating between ghosts and spirits?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, that seems to be what researchers in the field try to do.
RAYB2K> i think it's very sad
ROYCE3:Royce3> Personally, I'm just confirming that there's some sort of
phenomena.
1CAVERAT> That would be the first step, Royce
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Confirmations would be nice.
1CAVERAT> What is sad, Ray
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Speculation gets annoying.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> What would you say you have at your house Kolta? Ghosts or
Spirits
KOLTA:Kolta> I have spirits
DORCASQ> I agree Alch
RAYB2K> we live in such a strange and fascinating world, look up at the
stars or into your heart..or your neighbour's eyes..why do w eneed to invent
stuff like ghosts?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Consider an inductive phone tap. Whoever is doing the snooping
can use a tape recorded and coil to get the electrical signal. Later upon
playback there's sound.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Ray, if it makes you feel any better, I have been
hearing things in my room the past few weeks.
RAYB2K> we haven't understood our own non ghostly world yet, never mind -
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> actually, more like 4mo.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Ray, you are making the assumption that someone is "inventing"
something.
DORCASQ> What have you heard, Alch?
1CAVERAT> Not inventing ghosts. Only studying an unexplained phenomena.
Ghost is the most widely understood term
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> can I flash this to you dorc?
1CAVERAT> Therefore I use it
DORCASQ> SURE
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, I agree.
RAYB2K> the human brain is an unexplained phenomenon.
1CAVERAT> We really do not understand what the phenomena is or how it operates
ROYCE3:Royce3> Speaking of brains, I have a little something for you to read.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hold on while I do a cut and paste.
ROYCE3:Royce3> A few years ago a young man in Sheffield was given a CAT
scan. It was discovered that his cranium was filled with nothing but spinal
fluid inside a layer of brain cells that was no more than a
ROYCE3:Royce3> millimeter thick. He had virtually no brain. You could shine a
bright light right through his head. That is very worrying. It is also very
strange because this boy, who showed by all we know of
ROYCE3:Royce3> neurology that he should have been a vegetable, had an IQ of
126. He had just won a first class honors degree in mathematics. There have
been other studies, that have found similar things. There are
ROYCE3:Royce3> apparently dozens like him, all functioning completely
normally despite the fact that they have empty heads. So much for the
conviction that the cerebral cortex is the seat of our consciousness!
RAYB2K> i've just felt something strange and unfamiliar in my room
ROYCE3:Royce3> After you read the aforementioned, I will welcome comments.
RAYB2K> royce do you believe evertthing anyone tells you??
ROYCE3:Royce3> No Ray.
RAYB2K> what evidence apart from hearsay do you have?
1ANDONLY1> brings up the old chesnut about Brain vs mind eh?
STEVE6101> did he ever have another scan to see if the equipment malfunctioned
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Yes, land
ROYCE3:Royce3> Ray here are the credentials of the person who reported the
story.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Lyall Watson at the 1988 Mystics and Scientists conference.
Since you have participated in those conferences, I am assuming that you know
of Dr. Watson. He is a zoologist who once worked under
ROYCE3:Royce3> Desmond Morris. Watson also has a number of books to his
credit. Here is a short list:
ROYCE3:Royce3> · Gifts Of Unknown Things
ROYCE3:Royce3> · The Romeo Error
ROYCE3:Royce3> · The Nature Of Things
ROYCE3:Royce3> In addition, he was with the Science Features Dept. of BBC
Television.
1CAVERAT> I have also heard of this or a similar case but have been unable to
trace it back to a reliable source
ROYCE3:Royce3> Read the above, Cave.
1CAVERAT> OK Royce
1CAVERAT> You type faster than me
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Than any of us, Cave....
ROYCE3:Royce3> Now, today, I asked the dean of Transpersonal Pschology, Dr.
Charles Tart about the report. I will now post his reply.
RAYB2K> lyall watson was an acid casualty.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Back that statement up, Ray.
RAYB2K> i knew his wife margaret
STEVE6101> have to take a lot of hits to be a causalty
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Are you pasting Tart's reply, Royce?
ROYCE3:Royce3> I recall reading about the hydrocephalic man independently many
ROYCE3:Royce3> years ago - his cortex was indeed only 5% the thickness of
normal
ROYCE3:Royce3> cortex or something like that, but he had a master in math. So
ROYCE3:Royce3> Watson is correct. Try finding the original reference, I think
ROYCE3:Royce3> it was in Science.
1ANDONLY1> but that is only hearsay Ray
RAYB2K> checkit out
ROYCE3:Royce3> I'm sure Ray will supply us with his sources.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Just as I am doing.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> So Tart knew of this. Interesting.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> How can this be??
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, I can't think of a better character witness.
RAYB2K> watson reported the story, as you said. therefore what he said was
hearsay. q.e.d.our sources are
BAUBLE49:Bauble> I agree, Royce.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello, Sat.
1ANDONLY1> Hi Sat
KOLTA:Kolta> Hi Sat.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> What is Science that he refers to? A magazine or an
organization?
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> hi. wow it took me almost 25 minutes to get on!
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> hi kolta :)(
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Hey there Satellite
ROYCE3:Royce3> It's a scientific journal, Bauble.
RAYB2K> in other words watson said he had heard about this from someone else
DORCASQ> Hi Sat
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> hi Dorcas!
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> hi sat
BAUBLE49:Bauble> TY, royce
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> hi jeff!
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> hi everyone!!
KOLTA:Kolta> Then, that would be hearsay too Ray
ROYCE3:Royce3> Ray, you are playing a weak hand of cards on this subject.
RAYB2K> he did not give any evidence himself of these cases, because there is
no evidence
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Perserverance, Sat!!
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> yep
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> i got that alright
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> :)
RAYB2K> what would be hearsay too?
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> hey i read that Steve Allen wrote 8500 songs!
KOLTA:Kolta> Ray, that Watson heard about it from someone else. I am
agreeing with you.
1ANDONLY1> wow
ROYCE3:Royce3> Now, do we have Scrye or Sat?
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> Sat
RAYB2K> thankyou
BAUBLE49:Bauble> The paper only stated 4000 songs Sat Still mucho much!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Scrye, posted the number a 6000 yesterday.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> I told him that number
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> wow!
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> I read an article today
STEVE6101> well ray isn't everything hearsay unless you have experienced
yourself
1ANDONLY1> wow
DORCASQ> Wow here too
RAYB2K> no it's not..
1CAVERAT> Any reliable evidence needs an unbroken chain back to its ORIGINAL
source. This means all links in the chain be substantiated
STEVE6101> how do you figure
RAYB2K> there can be reliable evidence, how do you think they sent a rcket to
the moon?
STEVE6101> did they
BAUBLE49:Bauble> good Steve :o)
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, the report that Watson gave was delivered in front of a
room full of pre-eminent scientists. If it were bogus, we would know about it.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> couldve been faked in an elaborate studio.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> my mom used to say it was all just a cartoon to fool us
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lol
DORCASQ> I think your mom was right, Sat.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> she was a true skeptic
1ANDONLY1> as in Capricorn 1
RAYB2K> i have to get back to planet earth.
RAYB2K> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> Ray is miffed.
STEVE6101> thanks ray
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Let him be.
DORCASQ> No big loss
ROYCE3:Royce3> Oh, he left.
1ANDONLY1> prove it Royce
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> let him draw his own conclusions.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Duh
KOLTA:Kolta> Ray has a right to disagree
BAUBLE49:Bauble> When I was there I saw footprints on the Moon, so whose were
they if we faked out moon landing...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Unfortunately, he drew those conclusions before he got here.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> true
DORCASQ> YOU WERE THERE, Baub???
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> OBE
KOLTA:Kolta> We all come to this room with our own conclusions
1CAVERAT> Ray is only folling an investigative profile. Trouble is he is not
open to new evidence
STEVE6101> yes to disagree , but must think about what he say appies to him
also
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> But ususally with an open mind Kolta.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> I've been known to fib a bit....:o)
1ANDONLY1> sorry, I forgot to wipe my feet Baub
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lol
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> lol Bauble.
KOLTA:Kolta> True Alch
BAUBLE49:Bauble> funny land..
DORCASQ> I believed you barble
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> barble!!!
BAUBLE49:Bauble> I agree with what you just said, Cave
BAUBLE49:Bauble> I'm veeerrry gggooooddd at fibbing. I can even fool myself!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Anyway, the subject of Dr. Watson's report had to do with the
question of whether or not consciousness comes from the brain or the soul.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> wow
1ANDONLY1> wow
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> i have wondered about that one
ROYCE3:Royce3> WOW
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> if we are medically brain-dead do we still have a soul?
KOLTA:Kolta> To me, consciousness and soul are the same thing
ROYCE3:Royce3> I believe so, Sat.
STEVE6101> since we don't use all our brain(so it is said) maybe the subject
did use all he had
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Seems apparent if this report of yours Royce is true that
consciousness comes from the soul
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Whether or not it still is housed by the body in a brain
dead situation, is another subject.
1ANDONLY1> consciousness IS, the brain and the soul act differently within it!
ROYCE3:Royce3> If your brain were crushed in a vice, would you still have a
consciousness, Kolta?
ROYCE3:Royce3> I think you would
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> wouldn't be a nice experience.
DORCASQ> Don't try to find out, Royce :)
KOLTA:Kolta> My consciousness then would be in my soul, Royce, which can
never be destroyed
STEVE6101> our is the fluid more important than brain cells
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> I saw a show once,where a kid got shot in the head...
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> the entire right hemisphere was taken out.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, well, I would agree, Kolta. Most reductionists would
disagree.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> He still graduated with honors.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, it is interesting that no one can determine where
memories are stored in the brain.
1CAVERAT> That still leaves 50 percent of the brain. It is said we only use
10 percent anyway
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Maybe memories are in each and every one of our cells
1ANDONLY1> Only1 feels that the Brain is for the functioning of the body,
mind and soul is where consciousness lies
DORCASQ> Maybe people have determined where they are stored - just can't
remember.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Michael Talbot Holographic Universe, good read.
ROYCE3:Royce3> That is a great book, Alchemira.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Yes it is Alc!
BAUBLE49:Bauble> funny Dorc!
STEVE6101> new a doctor in Louisiana that helped people retrain their brain
after strokes,he said we know little of the human brain
1CAVERAT> If the brain is like a computer, the conciousness is the program
running on it.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Some people think their thoughts come from the heart area
not the head
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> I don't want to think that my thought processes have
anything to do with Bill Gates Cave.
1ANDONLY1> thought comes from the mind
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Oh, Steve I wish I had known of him when my Mother had her
stroke!!!!
DORCASQ> Right 1and
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, I take the position that Rupert Sheldrake takes. I
believe that our brain is like a TV set. The signal from a TV set doesn't
originate with the TV. The TV receives the signal.
KOLTA:Kolta> To be balanced, thoughts need to come from both the brain and
the heart
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Good land!
1ANDONLY1> hhhhhmmmmm not too sure Kolta
STEVE6101> me too
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Mind then is in every cell of our bodies
STEVE6101> nice man ,gambled to much though
1ANDONLY1> yes Baub
ROYCE3:Royce3> That is an interesting idea, Bauble.
DORCASQ> I don't think the mind is part of the body.
KOLTA:Kolta> Ok. Thought may come from the brain, but we still need to
operate from both the heart and the brain.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I would concur, dorc.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> true bauble, our neurological construct doesnt end in
the brain.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> That's another concept, Dorc
1CAVERAT> define heart in your term, K
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Kolta, you may be talking about intelligence and feelings
KOLTA:Kolta> Heart goes beyond thought and is the feeling, intuitive side of
the person.
1ANDONLY1> define the term Thought!
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> yes, KKolta
DORCASQ> But you don't mean the actual, physical heart, do you K?
1CAVERAT> OK. Just wanted to be sure you were not refering to the physical
heart muscle
BAUBLE49:Bauble> I don't think such things actually reside in any organ in
particular
KOLTA:Kolta> You do not need the actual heart. I never am that literal.
1ANDONLY1> but memory does Baub, is that thought?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Cave have you gone over to the Princeton Pear lab as I
suggested?
BAUBLE49:Bauble> As I said before-maybe memory resides in every cell in our
bodies
DORCASQ> I think memory may be stored in every cell in the body.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> they reflect within each other.
KOLTA:Kolta> But, then, do we carry our memories with us after we die?
1ANDONLY1> yes Baub
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> thought is energy, right?
STEVE6101> maybe the memory doesn't,but when part of the brain is damaged
just can't acess memory
1ANDONLY1> even water retains memory
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Memories are also within the Soul
ROYCE3:Royce3> Some say that matter is "frozen Light."
ROYCE3:Royce3> They suggest that all matter originates from consciousness.
ROYCE3:Royce3> A radical notion to folks like Ray.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lol
BAUBLE49:Bauble> That's how we create, Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, Bauble
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Are you talking heeresy again Royce!!!!
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> what about amnesia? the memories are still there but
just not able to be accessed
BAUBLE49:Bauble> heresy
ROYCE3:Royce3> Whatever, Bauble.
DORCASQ> hereasaythereasay
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> would matter possibly be the combination of good and
evil, and the condensation the two causes having the result of material being?
BAUBLE49:Bauble> TY Dorc
1ANDONLY1> wow
1CAVERAT> Sat, I would tend agree with that
DORCASQ> That is an interesting question, Alch
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> just a thought.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I have greatly enjoyed the Pear Lab, which is located at
Princeton University. Some of the work done there is really phenomenal,
especially that which is involved with consciousness and machines.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> I am not sure either.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> What kind of work, any interesting stories?
STEVE6101> do they mean physical light in reference to frozen light ,Royce
DORCASQ> Can light really be frozen?
ROYCE3:Royce3> They have shown that a person's mind can affect movement of
objects, create glitches in computers, etc.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Your computer is considered frozen light, Steve
1ANDONLY1> sorry folks but we must bid you all farewell. See you next week.
Go with God.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Anything solid
STEVE6101> explain,please Bauble
BAUBLE49:Bauble> bue land
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Peace 1and.
ROYCE3:Royce3> by 1and.
DORCASQ> Bye 1andonly1
ROYCE3:Royce3> bye
1ANDONLY1> bye
1CAVERAT> bye
1ANDONLY1> - signed off -
DORCASQ> I didn't know that - what does frozen light look like?
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Everything is composed of molecules, Steve, and they are
always moving, we just can't see that
STEVE6101> yes
ROYCE3:Royce3> Frozen light, according to the theory, is matter. Any piece
of anything is therefore frozen light.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> so it would be light slowed down
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Yes, Alc
STEVE6101> what about black holes
ROYCE3:Royce3> So we are saying that energy forms matter, instead of matter
being turned into energy.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> gravitational bending of light
STEVE6101> would they be composed of anti-matter
STEVE6101> It is a two way street
ROYCE3:Royce3> Cave, do you want to weigh in on steve's question?
1CAVERAT> Royce, conservation of energy says either can be done
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> true
STEVE6101> with that I agree
STEVE6101> it is a cycle
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> darn, I feel so dense.
1CAVERAT> Not sure of Steve's question. My screen updated
DORCASQ> I feel like a piece of frozen light.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lol
BAUBLE49:Bauble> funny Alc
ROYCE3:Royce3> Steve wants some information concerning anti matter and black
holes, Cave.
STEVE6101> the word light is the confusing part for me to understand
BAUBLE49:Bauble> But Glorius Light, Dorc!
DORCASQ> Meeee too
1CAVERAT> OK. What about them?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Think of light as energy, Steve. That will, I think, help.
DORCASQ> TX Bab
STEVE6101> better word I think
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> would sub atomic matter be considered as light?
1CAVERAT> light is a form of energy,
BAUBLE49:Bauble> yes
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> that clarifies it a bit.
DORCASQ> OK, yes, that helps
STEVE6101> yes
ROYCE3:Royce3> Light is energy on the electromagnetic spectrum.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> right
1CAVERAT> correct
STEVE6101> which energy can't be destroed just transformed,correct?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> right
1CAVERAT> correct
ROYCE3:Royce3> Ray, Ray???? Are you out there somewhere in the ether???????
Do you agree????
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> He left royce.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> ultra violet and xrays are light, but we can't see them
DORCASQ> Just like we can't be destroyed...just transformed!
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Yes, Dorc
STEVE6101> new that pyhsics class would come in handy
1CAVERAT> correct, different frequency though
ROYCE3:Royce3> I'm hoping for a telepathic message Alchemira. I am making a
vain effort at humor.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> LOL
BAUBLE49:Bauble> funny Royce!
ROYCE3:Royce3> ty, Bauble.
DORCASQ> I think he is at the top of my screen advertising BonziMail.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> matter is neither gained nor lost, just changes form.
Interesting within the matter is frozen light theory.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> So he's too busy to talk to us then, Dorc?
STEVE6101> do you have a link to the princton pear lab,Royce
DORCASQ> Have to download him, Baub
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lol
BAUBLE49:Bauble> It certainly is interesting, Alk
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Alc
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> :)
ROYCE3:Royce3> Many mystics, not all , but many, reject the notion of a
so-called objective universe--the notion that there's something out "there"
unless there is consciousness to create it.
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1CAVERAT> I think we need to expand on this frozen light concept and just
what it is defined as
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Hello Michelle
ROYCE3:Royce3> I will sent the link to the Pear Lab to you a bit later. No
problem.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Michelle, welcome.
2589MICHELLE> HI EVERYONE
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Hi Michelle!
STEVE6101> ty
KOLTA:Kolta> Hi Michelle
DORCASQ> Yes Cave
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are talking about consciousness and its effect on matter.
1CAVERAT> If it is simply matter, then energy can flow through it
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Yes
2589MICHELLE> HI ALL, THAT SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY BROAD SUBJECT ROYCE....
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Light as frozen energy, Michelle
ROYCE3:Royce3> We never travel the narrow road, Mich.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Yes this should be expanded, Cave
STEVE6101> all encompassing
1CAVERAT> Any one up to it can prove that with a simple experiment right now
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, this is very controversial. Reductionists hate such talk.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> okay, I am.
2589MICHELLE> oK I AM GAME
STEVE6101> I'm game ,Cave
DORCASQ> I'm game too
BAUBLE49:Bauble> ok
KOLTA:Kolta> Go for it Cave
1CAVERAT> 1. stand on a wet floor
ROYCE3:Royce3> Cave will get us killed
BAUBLE49:Bauble> I'm out of this experiment, pronto!!!1
ROYCE3:Royce3> Oh God
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> LOL
STEVE6101> let me get some water
DORCASQ> brb :)
ROYCE3:Royce3> I quit.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> next..
1CAVERAT> 2. Take a piece of frozen light in the form of a wire
KOLTA:Kolta> cowards!!!!1
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> I think you're right royce.
ROYCE3:Royce3> YOUR MOMMA
STEVE6101> ok
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> - signed off -
BAUBLE49:Bauble> funny!!!!!
1CAVERAT> 3 Place end in electric outlet while holding the other
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> LOL
KOLTA:Kolta> Sat left
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Cave, yer sick.
1CAVERAT> 4 energy WILL flow :)
STEVE6101> hold on
DORCASQ> She went to the freezer to get some light.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> LOL
BAUBLE49:Bauble> I'm laughing to hard to do this experiment!!
2589MICHELLE> OK, I AM OUTTA HERE, I DON'T WANT TO GET SHOCKED
KOLTA:Kolta> I will join the rank of cowards
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> and I don't need a perm.
STEVE6101> zzzzzzzzzap!!!!!
DORCASQ> Have you tried this, Cave?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, that would be a rather shocking experiment, Cave.
DORCASQ> funny, Royce
1CAVERAT> Many times. Aint been right since!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> I'll be happy to assist you Cave. I will throw the switch.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> LOL
DORCASQ> hahaha
STEVE6101> but where did the frozen light come from
KOLTA:Kolta> :-)
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> sick cave, sick.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I once knew a fellow who got hit by lightening. He was rather
odd afterward.
2589MICHELLE> LOL,
1CAVERAT> But it will prove that energy can travel over frozen light
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Obviously not Cave. Especially since you've done it many
times!!!!
STEVE6101> the wire ,the water,or the socket
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> the frozen light is the wire.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Very good Cave
DORCASQ> How long does it take to freeze light?
KOLTA:Kolta> The wire, the water, the socket, oh my!
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> the socket is your one way ticket to a shocking new
experience.
2589MICHELLE> I THOUGHT THIS WAS A UFO TALK?
BAUBLE49:Bauble> the wire I think Steve
STEVE6101> ty
DORCASQ> Sometimes, Michelle
ROYCE3:Royce3> But some Qi Gong masters have been able to create a tremendous
resistance to the flow of electricity--that is, within their bodies.
1CAVERAT> the wire
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Michelle, once you've seen one Ufo what's to talk about???
1CAVERAT> But the individual atoms do not leave the wire, it is only an
exchange of electrons
STEVE6101> electrocution does effect people differently
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> they build up bioelectric impulses with the practice,
right?
DORCASQ> :) Baufle
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> @ royce
BAUBLE49:Bauble> funny Alc
2589MICHELLE> I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE YET, SOMETHINGS STRANGE ONETIME, THATS BEEN
IT, BUT
1CAVERAT> michelle, have you had a UFO sighting you would like to discuss?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> that wasn't meant as a joke. LOL
2589MICHELLE> I HAVE TWINS AND ALOT OF THINGS CAN BECOME UNIDENTIFIED FLYING
OBJECTS, THEY BROKE A WINDOW LAST SATURDAY
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> they build up bioelectric energy to counteract
electricty flow...and a resistance.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> That's about it, Michelle. Not alot to talk about so we come
up with other topics quite often
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> That was the explanation my martial arts instructor gave
me.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> That's true M. Twins Wow Fun time
ROYCE3:Royce3> Very interesting, alchemira.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Did you personally see a demonstration, Alchemira?
2589MICHELLE> WELL all take care, i am off to do bath time and get the
kiddo's to bed
STEVE6101> do they have any special pyhcic connections,Michelle?
DORCASQ> Well, I had fun tonight - glad I decided to join in here.
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> 7:30 7:30 7:30
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> no, lol, but they were boasting about our master in
Korea being able to heal people.
KOLTA:Kolta> Good ole Jeff
ROYCE3:Royce3> I'm glad you came Dorcasq.
DORCASQ> Good Luck, Alch!!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Thank you all for coming.
BAUBLE49:Bauble> Alc, they are working on Plasma energy now to go before
airplanes and such to reduce drag. Has possibilities.
DORCASQ> Thanks Royce
1CAVERAT> 7:29:35, Jeff
2589MICHELLE> steve, i have not witnessed it in them, they are 18 months old
and are fraternal boy girl, i am also a identical twin and my twin and i have
had lots
ROYCE3:Royce3> We will be back next tuesday at 6 pm
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> and when I asked, they explained it through Qi Gong
Practice.
KOLTA:Kolta> :-) Cave
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Thanks Dorca!!! :)
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> lol
STEVE6101> thNKA mICHELLE
ROYCE3:Royce3> We will talk more about that, Alchemira.
DORCASQ> Goodnight everyone - I'm off to Chi Chi's - FOOD!!!
1CAVERAT> Coordinated universal time, adjusted to EST
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Okay, will try to be here for sure!
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> oh wow, can I come!
ROYCE3:Royce3> All right that's it for tonight. See you all next week.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Bye
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> PLEAAAAAASE
ROYCE3:Royce3> - signed off -
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