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1CAVERAT> thanks Scrye
SCRYE:Scrye> Everyone, we do have open case files on the Ohio-KY
sightings.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, caverat has brought us a lot of excellent
information. The Ohio report is a good example.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Satellite, welcome.
1CAVERAT> I have a conclusion to one of the late fireball sightings. I
will post it to the board as its too long for here
ROYCE3:Royce3> Incidentally, the MUFON report has a lot of information
about those sightings, too.
SATELLITE8> thanks
SATELLITE8> what is our topic?
SATELLITE8> has anyone seen the moon tonight?
SATELLITE8> it is bright yellow and very low in the sky
DORCASQ> No, not yet.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Our topic today concerns communication at the cellular
level.
SCRYE:Scrye> Royce, would you copy me?
KOLTA:Kolta> It should be full if not almost there
ROYCE3:Royce3> What do you mean Scrye?
SCRYE:Scrye> On the Mufon report re sightings
SATELLITE8> its halfway up in the sky
SCRYE:Scrye> See what happens when you try and start two minutes early?
KOLTA:Kolta> Interesting Sat
DORCASQ> What happens?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Scrye, if you want a copy of the MUFON reports, no
problem. I will be sending this month's out very shortly.
SCRYE:Scrye> ty
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ROYCE3:Royce3> I also want to encourage all of you to post interesting
articles that you may find.
KOLTA:Kolta> Dorcasq, :-)
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Pharaohl , Welcome
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> thanx
SCRYE:Scrye> Internal communication at the cellular level is fairly well
understood. External communications are not always recognized and are
certainly NOT well understood.
DORCASQ> true, true
ROYCE3:Royce3> You are quite right Scrye.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, is there any other information that needs to be
shared before we begin?
SCRYE:Scrye> That's your cue.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Or should we hold off for a few more minutes?
ROYCE3:Royce3> I do like to wait for Jeff.
ROYCE3:Royce3> But maybe he isn't going to show today.
DORCASQ> Ok, hold off a few more.
SCRYE:Scrye> Go for it before people start rapping.
KOLTA:Kolta> Is Jeff coming for sure?
DORCASQ> I will go look at the moon..........
ROYCE3:Royce3> Caverat, any more meetings planned for the Monroeville
group?
SCRYE:Scrye> Jeff is not on IM yet. A sign.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I haven't heard anything from them in a long while.
1CAVERAT> Royce, does any of this group meet aside from the net?
1CAVERAT> Monroeville group has not met for several months
ROYCE3:Royce3> Caverat, we meet at the UFO /Et Forum
ROYCE3:Royce3> Those of us in the PGH area.
1CAVERAT> where?when?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Every Friday, there's a meeting.
KOLTA:Kolta> The meeting is at my place
ROYCE3:Royce3> I can Email the directions. Kolta is our gracious
hostess.
KOLTA:Kolta> Are you familar with Pittsburgh?
1CAVERAT> I would be interested in attending
1CAVERAT> yes
KOLTA:Kolta> Give him my number too Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> Kolta, since I have printed directions, I will send it
all to him.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Phone numbers too.
KOLTA:Kolta> thanks
SCRYE:Scrye> SOmetimes we have a special event at Mandala, A shop in
Pittsburgh. There will be one on 14 January on abduction.
1CAVERAT> What part of Pitts?
KOLTA:Kolta> Squirrel Hill
1CAVERAT> OK
1CAVERAT> been there on several occasions
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ROYCE3:Royce3> If someone were to take minutes of those meetings we
could post them.
DORCASQ> So you do get out of your cave at times!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Isleanders, welcome.
SCRYE:Scrye> We used to meet at Mandala Books when it was there in Sq.
Hill.
ISLEANDERS> hey royce and regulars!
1CAVERAT> only when necessary!!!
DORCASQ> I don't blame you!
ROYCE3:Royce3> I hope you have had a good week Isleanders.
SCRYE:Scrye> Hey! He actually probably just goes into caves at times.
Right?
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> .
SCRYE:Scrye> A spelunker?
1CAVERAT> Absolutely! Check my webpage!
ISLEANDERS> up and down but thats normal
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are just talking about an excellent, local ufo meeting
that takes place in the city of PGH each week.
KOLTA:Kolta> We might have a new person at the Forum this week
ROYCE3:Royce3> There aren't a lot of local UFO groups in any part of the
country so far as I can determine.
SCRYE:Scrye> We insist that you keep one nickname in this chat,
Starchild.
KOLTA:Kolta> Called me yesterday
KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> Dorcasq are you ready with the preliminary information?
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DORCASQ> Yes
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> are you sayin you want me to go back to Pharaoh?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Say what?
SATELLITE8> wb Kolta :)
SCRYE:Scrye> No, just keep Starchild, thanks.
ROYCE3:Royce3> May we get started?
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> I just thought that Starchild was more
appropriate for this chat
SCRYE:Scrye> Soitainly.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Go ahead.
DORCASQ> You want preliminary info, Royce?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Dorcasq will post the preliminary information dealing
with today's topic.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Go
DORCASQ> All of it or parts?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Just the first part.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Post it.
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> I changed it as soon as I came in and fully
intended to stay with it, one name does make it easier for all
ROYCE3:Royce3> This will give us some background information.
DORCASQ> Paradigm Wars
DORCASQ> by Mark Woodhouse
DORCASQ> Clive Backster's research with plants and polygraphs, reported
in the The Secret Life of Plants, suggests that under certain
conditions, plants communicate with other plants or respond to human
DORCASQ> emotions in ways that defy scientific explanation. For
example, when shrimp were dumped into boiling water, plants in the room
responded with an immediate energetic serge on the polygraph. This
DORCASQ> doesn't prove that plants have emotions, at least in the way
that we normally think of them, however, it does suggest communication
at biological levels previously not recognized.
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> .
ROYCE3:Royce3> You may respond as you think best.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Have any of you heard of this sort of thing before?
SATELLITE8> i have
1CAVERAT> These experiments have been duplicated by other researchers
SCRYE:Scrye> I have a question: what could be possible media of
communication here?
SATELLITE8> they respond to human emotions
ISLEANDERS> sure but not that deep
1CAVERAT> This implies a scientific fact since it can be repeated
SATELLITE8> they sense vibrations
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, the experiments have been replicated.
SCRYE:Scrye> It is factual, Caverat - just not completely described nor
explained.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Go with part two, Dorcasq
ROYCE3:Royce3> post
DORCASQ> The results of Backster's more recent research, plus studies of
related phenomena, are engagingly described in Robert Stone's The Secret
Life of Your Cells. Stone describes one study for example in
DORCASQ> which a group of fruit trees appears to collectively decide to
bear fruit at different times, even though conditions of temperature,
moisture, and soil chemistry remain constant.
1CAVERAT> It does not necessarily imply intelligence however
SCRYE:Scrye> Now, some communication between trees is known to be
chemical.
1CAVERAT> Only a reaction to external stimuli
ISLEANDERS> thats survival instinct isnt it
ROYCE3:Royce3> Post the last part, Dorcasq.
SCRYE:Scrye> When an insect predator strikes, some species send out chem
signals in the soil...
SCRYE:Scrye> causing the others of that species to change their taste.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, the part about the plants reacting to the shrimp in
boiling water is very interesting.
DORCASQ> Inferences about cellular communication at a distance in this
type of research are necessarily indirect. Observing repeated
synchronous correlations in plant and animal behavior, we naturally
infer
DORCASQ> that some inner link (a communal consciousness?) must connect
spatially separate systems. However, it may be possible to go one step
further and talk to the primary intelligence involved.
SATELLITE8> i think all living things respond to nurturing
SCRYE:Scrye> The signals can also travel by air.
KOLTA:Kolta> Agreed Sat
ROYCE3:Royce3> Do the plants feel sympathy with the shrimp?
ISLEANDERS> no
SCRYE:Scrye> What do you mean by "vibrations", Sat?
1CAVERAT> no
SATELLITE8> sounds we can't even hear
SATELLITE8> energy
SATELLITE8> like dogs can hear high-pitched sounds we can't hear
SCRYE:Scrye> They feel a "shock" at the shrimps plight or pain.
SATELLITE8> emily always wants me to buy up all the lobsters and bring
them home
1CAVERAT> Sympathy implies concious thought
SATELLITE8> the live ones in the tanks
SCRYE:Scrye> Tomatoes "scream" on a polygraph when stuck with a nail.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes,Srye, but what sort of transmission might there be?
Telepathic?
SCRYE:Scrye> That was my question?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Can they see or hear?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, and a good one.
SATELLITE8> some type of chemical communication
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> perhaps the plants are aware of the shrimp on
some level which we are not. underneath space-time
SATELLITE8> maybe we can't explain it
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, starchild, I think that is a good possibility.
KOLTA:Kolta> There are many things we cannot explain but do exist
ROYCE3:Royce3> It links with the notion of a holographic model.
SATELLITE8> yes and that doesn't mean they don't exist
DORCASQ> I wouldn't think they understand pain or death but maybe they
are aware of a cellular change.
SATELLITE8> just because we have not yet discovered an explanation to
our understanding
SCRYE:Scrye> Well, Starchild, the connection could be not time-bound,
perhaps telepathic. But telepathy is usually associated with higher
central nervous system function.
SATELLITE8> telepathy as we understand it, Scrye
ROYCE3:Royce3> Various shaman speak to foodcrops. So all of this goes
back a long way.
SCRYE:Scrye> true.
SCRYE:Scrye> maybe there is a lower form.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, you are right, Sat.
SATELLITE8> perhaps
SATELLITE8> there is so much we just do not understand!
ROYCE3:Royce3> How many here grow a garden?
KOLTA:Kolta> Correct Sat.
SATELLITE8> i just had a weird thought
1CAVERAT> Telepathy itself may not be a higher form of communication but
a lower
SCRYE:Scrye> When schools of fish suddenly change direction, it is not
perfectly simultaneous....
SATELLITE8> maybe right now those lower-life forms are meeting
SATELLITE8> and discussing humans
SCRYE:Scrye> one fish turns first, sends a signal...
SATELLITE8> how about when birds fly in that v-formation?
SCRYE:Scrye> electrical I think, to the others.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, people suggest that crop circles are examples of
plants trying to communicate with us.
KOLTA:Kolta> If telepathy was a lower form of communication, then one
would think we should be able to do it easier
SATELLITE8> and they turn as one body?
SCRYE:Scrye> THat's different, Sat.
SATELLITE8> or big groups of bees
SCRYE:Scrye> I think we do do it, K.
DORCASQ> We forgot how to use telepathy when we learned to speak.
1CAVERAT> The fish could each be responding to a common stimulus
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> if we understand that awareness isn't always
bound to physics, then the means of input spread out before us ad
infinitum and telepathy is but one of a zillion possibilities
ISLEANDERS> birds fly in v to save wind resistance
SCRYE:Scrye> Exactly, Caverat.
SCRYE:Scrye> But it is the signal from one that coordinates all.
SATELLITE8> perhaps Dorcasq
SATELLITE8> maybe we used to know how but it was "learned" out of us
KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off -
DORCASQ> We unlearned it.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Have any of you ever tried to talk to plants in your
garden? Or have you ever talked to ornamental flowers.
SATELLITE8> right
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SATELLITE8> yep :)
SATELLITE8> all the time
DORCASQ> I talk to my plants telepathically.
ISLEANDERS> no i avoid plants
ROYCE3:Royce3> Really, Sat? How long have you been doing this?
SATELLITE8> long time :)
SCRYE:Scrye> I have seen the elemental swaying dance of a monospecies
group of plants in still air.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Why do you avoid plants, Isleander?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Say again, Scrye?
SCRYE:Scrye> You wouldn't understand it better.
ISLEANDERS> not a plant person i guess only to eat
SCRYE:Scrye> They dance together.
DORCASQ> Yes, in plainer language, Scrye.
SCRYE:Scrye> They sway in unison.
SCRYE:Scrye> They are like one plant.
KOLTA:Kolta> One can see the trees swaying in unison the easiest
1CAVERAT> Why do they sway?
SCRYE:Scrye> So they must either have one "mind" or communicate.
DORCASQ> They sway the way the wind blows them?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Only to eat? Now that brings up another point: If plants
feel pain and have emotions, should we feel guilty about eating them? I
know this may sound silly, but give it a bit of thought.
SCRYE:Scrye> Still air, Kolta.
SCRYE:Scrye> and D.
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> they have individual will
KOLTA:Kolta> Yes, Scrye, in still air
ISLEANDERS> not guilty i must survive
ROYCE3:Royce3> There are people who seem to feel guilt about eating
plants if the harvesting of them means that the plant must be killed.
SCRYE:Scrye> No, I do not think plants have much will, if any.
SATELLITE8> i thought about it royce.
DORCASQ> But we don't know if they feel pain and have emotions, do we,
Royce?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Such people will only eat things like apples ,
oranges--items shed from the plant.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I said "If."
SATELLITE8> but those are future plants
SATELLITE8> potentially
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> the higher a life form evolves the greater must
be the life it consumes
SCRYE:Scrye> In The Last of The Mohicans, the Indians asked permission
of plants before using them.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, does that mean we will soon return to eating
humans?
KOLTA:Kolta> Why is that Starchild
ISLEANDERS> royce u arent making this up are ya
SATELLITE8> soylent green!!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> No Isleander, there are people who even worry about
stepping on insects.
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> I love it here at the top of the food chain
SATELLITE8> i never step on bugs!
SATELLITE8> i catch them and put them outside
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, Starchild, don't be sure! : )
SATELLITE8> and tell them to go live their lives
DORCASQ> I never eat bugs either.
SCRYE:Scrye> Albert Schweitzer avoids stepping on ants. In Africa!
ISLEANDERS> star i agree
KOLTA:Kolta> So do I Sat
SATELLITE8> i love ants!!!!
1CAVERAT> If we should not eat plants, and animals are even more taboo,
then what DO we eat??
ROYCE3:Royce3> Dorcasq, you just think that you have avoided eating
bugs.
SATELLITE8> if you watch them together
SATELLITE8> they are so cooperative and hard workers
SCRYE:Scrye> Anything we don't feel guilty about, Royce. Ask Jeffrey
Dalmer.
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> you may have some Idea Royce....
SATELLITE8> the US Gov't allows so many parts per million of cockroaches
in chocolate
ROYCE3:Royce3> Oh, Caverat, I'm not saying I agree with the notion that
we should not eat plants. I'm just pointing out that that is the view of
some people.
DORCASQ> It doesn't count if you don't know you ate them!
SATELLITE8> HAHAHAHA
SCRYE:Scrye> And rat hair and feces in peanut butter.
1CAVERAT> Just putting that out for comment, Royce
SATELLITE8> right Scrye
SATELLITE8> yummy
SATELLITE8> adds fiber
DORCASQ> You are making me hungry.
SCRYE:Scrye> more protein!
SATELLITE8> MMMMMMMMM
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, Dorcasq, take note of scrye's remark about feces in
peanut butter.
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KOLTA:Kolta> My stomach is rattling
SATELLITE8> i'll just make you a nice peanut butter sandwich D
ROYCE3:Royce3> Welcome Alchemira.
SCRYE:Scrye> Pass the rat feces please!
1CAVERAT> Thats what makes it GOOD!
SATELLITE8> ALCHEMIRA@!!!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are talking about speaking with plants.
SATELLITE8> welcome back!
ALCHEMIRA> hey all!!
ALCHEMIRA> SATELLITE!!
SCRYE:Scrye> HI!
ALCHEMIRA> hey Royce!
ALCHEMIRA> hey Scrye!
SATELLITE8> emily offers all a large plate of rat stuff!!!
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ALCHEMIRA> how is everyone on this wonderful tuesday night?
ROYCE3:Royce3> What do you all make of the people who supposedly have
Green thumbs?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Pnerissa, welcome.
SATELLITE8> we missed you alchemira
ALCHEMIRA> how about good energies.
SCRYE:Scrye> She has the rat stuff, all right.
ALCHEMIRA> hey pnerissa.
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are talking about talking to plants.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Dorcasq, post part one again.
SATELLITE8> :)
DORCASQ> wait
ROYCE3:Royce3> For the newcomers.
ALCHEMIRA> its a projection of vibrations royce...at least I think so.
SCRYE:Scrye> They talk to plants through their talent, conscious or
unconscious.
KOLTA:Kolta> Hope you had a happy birthday Pnerissa
1CAVERAT> Royce, those with the green thumb likely are more knowledgable
of plant needs
ISLEANDERS> super but ill never eat again
ROYCE3:Royce3> Caverat, that might be true.
1CAVERAT> therefore can provide the proper
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> what exactly do you think is vibrating???
SCRYE:Scrye> Prayer has been shown to make plants thrive, in remote
controlled studies.
ROYCE3:Royce3> But is that all there is to it?
1CAVERAT> environment for them to thrive
ALCHEMIRA> yeah, they almost sense what the plant wants.
ALCHEMIRA> once again its control of frequencies.
ROYCE3:Royce3> All right, let's speak to Scrye's comment about prayer
affecting plants.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Have all of you heard of that?
ALCHEMIRA> prayer is a positve energy.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Want to expand upon that, Scrye?
***Paradigm Wars posted again***
ALCHEMIRA> HEY SLOW DOWN!!
DORCASQ> am I here?
KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, hold off and let the new folks read.
SCRYE:Scrye> Caverat, the environment is quite important. But a long
experiment in Scotland has proven it is not the most important thing.
ALCHEMIRA> its a response to bioelectric impulses.
DORCASQ> - signed off -
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> - signed off -
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1CAVERAT> Scrye, continue
SCRYE:Scrye> Is everyone back?
KOLTA:Kolta> i am
SATELLITE8> no D is still gone
ISLEANDERS> i think
SCRYE:Scrye> OK
1CAVERAT> what other factors were present?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Go ahead Scrye.
ALCHEMIRA> hey all, my family is watching...could you guys tell them
where you are all at?
SCRYE:Scrye> There was a barren stretch of beach in Scotland...
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> doesn't there have to be contact for bioelectric
impulses to transfer from one organism to another
ALCHEMIRA> I want to show them the widespread interest.
SCRYE:Scrye> Where some people settled and started a garden...
ISLEANDERS> michigan
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SCRYE:Scrye> in defiance of the experts who said..
DORCASQ> crap...what happened?
SCRYE:Scrye> nothing would grow there.
DORCASQ> Did you get the post? My screen froze up.
SATELLITE8> you didn't miss anything D
ALCHEMIRA> no starchild, the bioelectric impulses travel through our
atmosphere..kinda like sound waves under water, but at a different
frequency.
SCRYE:Scrye> They talked to their plants and invoked Nature spirits...
KOLTA:Kolta> Go on Scrye
ROYCE3:Royce3> Let Scrye finish this interesting thread.
ALCHEMIRA> ok...sorry.
SCRYE:Scrye> And the spirits apparently responded and made the garden
exceed many others in far better places.
SATELLITE8> wow
ROYCE3:Royce3> Comments?
SATELLITE8> positive energy!
SCRYE:Scrye> The humans claim direct contact with normally invisible
folk who helped...
ALCHEMIRA> make sense..
SCRYE:Scrye> them make the place a success. They...
ALCHEMIRA> the nature spirits are honed according to the plant
life...their energies that is..
1CAVERAT> Scrye, Can we be certain the experts did not err in their
statement the area was unfit for growth
SCRYE:Scrye> are very famous in British horticultural circles
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> so air is a conductor of bioelectrical energy?
SATELLITE8> i have always believed that if you want something bad enough
and use your powers of concentraion you can make it happen
SCRYE:Scrye> because of their successful methods.
1CAVERAT> and was actually fertile?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Now if the good thoughts of humans affect plants in a
healthy way, can plants affect us in a healthy manner because of their
energy fields?
ALCHEMIRA> thats true satellite.
ALCHEMIRA> lol
SCRYE:Scrye> We can be certain. You may sow the beach next door if you
like.
ALCHEMIRA> caverat...my brother is laughing at your comment..
1CAVERAT> which one?
ALCHEMIRA> the one about fertility.
1CAVERAT> Scrye, its just my nature to question
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KOLTA:Kolta> In the book, "The Hopi Survival Kit" they sing to their
crops because...
SCRYE:Scrye> The methods do not work in isolation from the spiritual
content.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Pnerissa, welcome back.
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KOLTA:Kolta> it is the seeds and the crops that die and come to live so
we can be nurtured and live
FATEPAWN> Hello.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello Fatepawn, welcome.
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are talking about communication among plants.
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> Finally!! I am in now...I couldn't type before...the
bar never showed up. What did I miss? And thank you Kolta for the Happy
Birthday! ; )
KOLTA:Kolta> For the Hopis, singing to their crops seems to work
ALCHEMIRA> of course not, matter is composed of protons and electrons!!
How do you expect to exist and ignore that simple fact?
FATEPAWN> understand.
SCRYE:Scrye> The references I made were to the Findhorn Garden. It is
justly famous.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Kolta, would you like to talk about that for a moment?
The Hopis.
KOLTA:Kolta> I just said it. But the Hopis as in all native Americans...
ROYCE3:Royce3> I have heard about the the Findhorn Garden too.
KOLTA:Kolta> have a better understanding of the land than we do
SATELLITE8> agreed Kolta
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> .
SATELLITE8> there is a reverence.
KOLTA:Kolta> Their crops react to their singing and they know to take
care of their crops through nurture
ALCHEMIRA> its part of the cycle of life...
SCRYE:Scrye> Alchemira: And photons and electrons are mostly made of
space, with standing waves of energy mixed throughout.
FATEPAWN> Alchemira, there are countless particles smaller than protons
and electrons, some of which behave in ways no proton or electron never
could...
ALCHEMIRA> without the land, we cannot be, and vice versa.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I have heard of the Findhorn Garden. Who conducts those
experiments there Scyre? I think they have ongoing experiments. But I
have forgotten the name of the group.
FATEPAWN> ever could, even... :)
ALCHEMIRA> yep, zaxxons, leptons...
ALCHEMIRA> some exist in and out of our time continuum.
ALCHEMIRA> linear that is.
SCRYE:Scrye> I do not have the original book. It is quite rare. I
have The Findhorn Garden by The Findhorn Community.
FATEPAWN> Of course.
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PHARAOH1967:Starchild> ever heard of Sagan's cosmon?
ALCHEMIRA> greets Joasha.
ALCHEMIRA> yes!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Oh, very interesting Scrye;
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Joasha
JOASHA:Joasha> heyla
SCRYE:Scrye> For the group, Hi, Joasha.
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are talking about communication among plants.
SCRYE:Scrye> And with people.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Kolta briefly mentioned the Hopi tradition of talking to
plants and such. Can you add to that, Joasha?
SCRYE:Scrye> We can solve it now; we are twelve.
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> Hawkings work is a worthy study if you can muddle
through all the math
SATELLITE8> LOL
FATEPAWN> Royce, what is the current evidence for communication between
plants?
ALCHEMIRA> I used to be a huge fan of Hawking.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, it is fairly extensive.
KOLTA:Kolta> I want to hear Joasha's answer to Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> Dorcasq, print part one but not more.
DORCASQ> ok
FATEPAWN> How about some examples, Royce?
SCRYE:Scrye> We are not trying to prove it anymore. Now it must be
explained and assimilated.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Fatepawn, we will give you a little of what we have
covered.
JOASHA:Joasha> you all must think I am a nut or something. LOL yes, we
talk to plants animals rocks trees, everything. because everything is
LIFE
1CAVERAT> We have here several theories before us. Many of these are
testable using scientific methods. I would propose as researchers we
attempt to conduct experiments to prove or disprove what we've stated
1CAVERAT> here.
ALCHEMIRA> I agree with Joasha..
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1CAVERAT> This would not be hard to do
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KOLTA:Kolta> I agree with Joasha also
FATEPAWN> define life, Joasha.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, yes there is also the notion of talking to rocks. I
think there is validity to it.
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ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> wait wait!! more than one reading here!!!!
SCRYE:Scrye> As I have stated before: The rock hears AUM. The rock
answers AUM.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Laura, we are talking about communication among plants
and humans. Welcome.
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JOASHA:Joasha> Just had a conversation with the wind awhile ago. we
needed to set a wall on the new house and had to get cooperation
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ISLEANDERS> cats seem to be attracted to me i must put out good vibes to
them right? plants respond in a similiar way dont ya think
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> hey laura..
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> of course.
SCRYE:Scrye> Plants do indeed.
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> I do have an interest in this subject. I have been
trying to find information on the language of plants. I have recently
encountered a tree on my property that seems to pulse energy into my
hands and even tingles my feet when I stand in
ROYCE3:Royce3> Caverat, you bring up an interesting notion. Experiments.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Pnerissa, that is most interesting.
SCRYE:Scrye> If they can be "scared", stands to reason they can be
encouraged, too.
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> I think that just because a plant is aware of
other life, and can respond to it doesn't necessarily imply that it
can, or needs to communicate, consciously (which is absurd) or otherwise
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> all life communicates.
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> communicate either, hehehe
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> I was hoping someone had an idea about it.
1CAVERAT> It would be something each of us could do and the conclusions
would provide valuable data
SCRYE:Scrye> Your tree may be on a ley line, Nerissa! lol
FATEPAWN> I read about a study in which the effect of prayer on the
growth of some small critter (bacteria? Algae? don't remember) was
measured.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> all life exists through the existence of other
life...
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, Fatepawn, I have heard of that experiment.
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ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> in other words, neither inferior or superior, but
equal in the universal grand scheme.
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> LOL Scrye...I hadn't thought of that! It is on a
mound though...
SCRYE:Scrye> Ants are pretty dumb individually, but the "hive mind" is
quite intelligent.
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KOLTA:Kolta> In the Hopi tradition, nothing needs to be proved. All that
we need do is have respect for life, including the plants
JOASHA:Joasha> we also use energy transference with our plants
SCRYE:Scrye> The communication among plants may be a hive phenomenon.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Recently, my lady and I have started practicing Qi Gong,
and that practice has seemingly affected some ornamental plants in our
house.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello Maciani, welcome.
MACIANI:maciani> thx royce
ISLEANDERS> how is a rock alive?
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are talking about communication among plants.
1CAVERAT> Scrye, I tend to agree with the hive concept
MACIANI:maciani> fair enough
DORCASQ> Good or bad effect, Royce? ha, ha
1CAVERAT> Reaction to stimuli, not conscious thought
FATEPAWN> like birch woods?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> wasnt there an experiment with some woods, out in
new hampshire...where there were a large group of trees that were packed
so closely together..that the roots came together.
JOASHA:Joasha> do you talk to your car?
ROYCE3:Royce3> A good effect. It seems that Qi Gong does affect one's
plants.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Machines?
1CAVERAT> Yes @#^&@$#
FATEPAWN> No, it's the birch woods, they are really one organism, or
behave as such.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Joasha...lmao...I do!!
SCRYE:Scrye> It is such a simple experiment: take two plants, sprouted
together. Daily, treat them the same except: Tell one to thrive, and
one to die.
JOASHA:Joasha> well..........
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Its the only thing I am not embarrassed to spill my
beans to!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> I talk to my computer. A know a number of techs who do
that.
SCRYE:Scrye> What, to your beans?
MACIANI:maciani> I do to alchemira but its usually cussin it out
JOASHA:Joasha> so do I
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ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> oh yeah, my puter is frankenstein.
KOLTA:Kolta> I talk to my computer also
1CAVERAT> Scrye, An excellent idea for an experiment
JOASHA:Joasha> and I give things energy when they do not operate well
FATEPAWN> Okay, well, as someone just said, we know it happens...now why
and how? And what is really happening?
ROYCE3:Royce3> I'm very serious. There are people who frequently cause
machines to break for reasons unknown.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> maciani, I guarantee sooner or later, it will tell
you that its not happy with your attitude.
SCRYE:Scrye> It is a bad idea to cuss out machines.
DORCASQ> I agree, Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> Probably, so.
JOASHA:Joasha> when I am upset, I blow light bulbs all over the house
SCRYE:Scrye> First, we know they are "cantankerous".
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> all atoms....all energies..
FATEPAWN> Royce, my husband frequently causes machines to revive, for
reasons unknown!
SCRYE:Scrye> Second, we know they can't very well repair themselves.
KOLTA:Kolta> Everything is effected by the energies we put out
DORCASQ> I couldn't get my automatic garage door to open one time
when I was very upset.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lmao joasha...thats when my browser kicks me off.
JOASHA:Joasha> exactly
ROYCE3:Royce3> All material things are much the same at the atomic
level--all vibrate.
DORCASQ> There was nothing wrong with it.
SATELLITE8> agreed Kolta!
MACIANI:maciani> apart form the fact it wouldnt open?
SCRYE:Scrye> Thirdly, everything in Universe responds to
discouragement.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> nope...
ROYCE3:Royce3> I think Scrye, has a point.
JOASHA:Joasha> Kolta, I love you
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> yes.
KOLTA:Kolta> right, Scrye
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> scrye is right.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> oh dear..
ROYCE3:Royce3> Love and good intentions affect everything.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> always..
FATEPAWN> What about all the times you were upset that it worked fine,
Dorcas?
SCRYE:Scrye> Well, Caverat, do you encourage your machines a little?
SATELLITE8> who gets upset when things are working fine????
1CAVERAT> Every day...with a big hammer!
DORCASQ> This was a VERY upsetting time that I mention.
DORCASQ> I tried to open the side door with a key and it wouldn't open
either.
SATELLITE8> do i detect a little sarcasm?
ISLEANDERS> how is a rock alive?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Fatepawn, I think our thoughts influence everything to a
greater or less degree. With very sensitive machines the effect seems to
be amplified.
MACIANI:maciani> thats not sarcasm thats a valid point
JOASHA:Joasha> stones are record keepers
SATELLITE8> :)
FATEPAWN> Not sarcasm...skepticism in the most healthy and productive
sense, Satellite.
DORCASQ> Can you explain about the stones, Joasha?
JOASHA:Joasha> and are a very important part of the devic rhelm
SATELLITE8> understood
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> devic realm?
SCRYE:Scrye> I did have a computer that wouldn't boot until smacked on
the side with a wrist pad.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Isleander, I think that if you will refer to my notion
that all things vibrate at an atomic level, Joasha's point makes a lot
of sense.
SCRYE:Scrye> HARD!
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> detects a bit of "The Nature of Personal Reality"
JOASHA:Joasha> elemental energies in all things
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lol scrye.
KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off -
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> maybe its all in what we expect for the objects
response to be.
FATEPAWN> <chuckle> Starchild.
MACIANI:maciani> my car front left signal light only works sometimes but
I certainly feel happier when it does
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1CAVERAT> Scrye, thats why I don't think machines any unusual
characteristics
SATELLITE8> hmmm
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ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> we expect it to function properly after a certain
action, so it does!
1CAVERAT> what you had was a stuck head on a hard drive
ROYCE3:Royce3> Monocerous, welcome, we are talking about communication
among plants.
MACIANI:maciani> but I think it influences me rather than the other way
round
1CAVERAT> hitting it simply freed it up
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> ummmmm....
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lol
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> the trick is in the absence of hard data, not to
become superstitious, or manipulate data to collaborate ones theories
MONOCEROUS:Greenfish> Hi all :)
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> greetings greenfish.
FATEPAWN> I'm on my way...thanks for the hospitality...happy exploring.
:)
SCRYE:Scrye> Greenfish, please keep just that nickname. Thank you.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> take care fate.
MONOCEROUS:Greenfish> LOL
ROYCE3:Royce3> Pharahoh, I think some of the experiments that we alluded
to early in the conversation had very tight "controls." They represented
good science.
KOLTA:Kolta> Not everything can be measured to fit into some nice little
box. Not everything has to be proven
DORCASQ> Maciani has a good point about the way we are affected by the
way we treat plants and machines.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> nope, thats a human quality...
MACIANI:maciani> nothing has to be proven but if you want to call it
science it should be
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> not all things evolved as we have..
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> the same was said about craniometry in the 1920's
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> or in the same situations as we have.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, Maciani, has a good point.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> even science is constantly being redefined.
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SCRYE:Scrye> So let's practice good pseudoscience and good science as
well.
JOASHA:Joasha> my mother has such a strong rapport with plants they
actually will move or bend toward her when she enters the greenhouse
KOLTA:Kolta> But, who says it has to be science that always points the
way?
ROYCE3:Royce3> So Joasha, talk a bit more about native American
traditions in regard to talking to rocks and plants.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> sounds reasonable enough.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi furballishs, welcome
KOLTA:Kolta> Let spirituality point also
SCRYE:Scrye> Astrology pointed the way to astronomy.
FURBALLISHS> Fur rules!
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> hmmmm...
JOASHA:Joasha> if all things are treated with consideration and respect,
they will respond and participate with you
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> dunno about that scrye...there were men who
measured the stars, and there were men who created legends by them.
SATELLITE8> amen.
SCRYE:Scrye> Edgar Cayce pointed the way to some good medicine.
SATELLITE8> please tell that to my KIDS!!!!
FURBALLISHS> Did you know that we even have hair in our tongue!
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> empirical science has the benefit of history and
objective scientific theory it can't account for everything but its role
in the quickening of human life on the planet has been invaluable
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Im thinking that maybe ancient naval navigation
started the way to astrology.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> or astronomy...oops.
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ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> I meant astronomy.
SCRYE:Scrye> Quickening of human life? Quickening of human life????
SATELLITE8> if you take pepto bismol
ROYCE3:Royce3> Unfortunately a lot of science isn't objective.
FURBALLISHS> For sure!!!!!
SATELLITE8> you will get black hair on your tongue
KOLTA:Kolta> Scrye has a point about Edgar Cayce. He pointed the way to
good medicine without going through the strict scientific method
1CAVERAT> Regarding astrology to astronomy, It was the questioning of
these legends that led to their dismissal and the rise of astronomy
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> Alchemira your always thinking, I admire that
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> oh lord.
SATELLITE8> from the bismuth
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> thanks star...thats why I am here.
SATELLITE8> :) anytime!!!
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> i gotta go
SCRYE:Scrye> I was a scientist until age 9 or so. Science is all right
but has been involved in the extinction of MANY human lives.
MACIANI:maciani> theres nothing that says the only route is the
scientific
ROYCE3:Royce3> Good to have you pharaoh
ROYCE3:Royce3> Please come back.
MACIANI:maciani> but the scientific is the only scientific route
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> it's been interesting
ROYCE3:Royce3> Good having you.
PHARAOH1967:Starchild> thanx royce
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> of course were analytic and philosophers.
FURBALLISHS> We have hair on our intestines too!
MACIANI:maciani> nothing nicer than serendipity
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> thanks for sharing furball.
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MACIANI:maciani> I have on my toes too furball
SATELLITE8> that would be cilia
FURBALLISHS> For sure!
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> yep
MACIANI:maciani> and in my ears
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well I have heard that some shaman would turn to trees
for information about their enemies.
SATELLITE8> move in wave-like motions
SCRYE:Scrye> cilia all of you!
SATELLITE8> to sweep the contents along.
FURBALLISHS> villi
MACIANI:maciani> and then verify the information with a telescope
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> yep....but how would they acquire it royce?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Can any one speak to the notion of merging one's
consciousness with that of plants and animals?
FURBALLISHS> microvilli
SCRYE:Scrye> pun was too good.
SATELLITE8> haha scrye.
SCRYE:Scrye> count on you Sat.
MACIANI:maciani> some fruit is furry like peaches
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Royce, plants have auras..so do we....its not that
difficult.
SATELLITE8> .of course! i am cilia!!
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> we were never really separated.
FURBALLISHS> Peaches!!!!!!
1CAVERAT> computers have microsoftvilli
MACIANI:maciani> and kiwis
SCRYE:Scrye> You are the ciliest!
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> all connected, always, just a matter of awareness.
ISLEANDERS> trolls try and be creative or give em de boot
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> hairy goofball.s
SATELLITE8> just so i am not supercilious!!!
FURBALLISHS> Silly villi!!!!!
SCRYE:Scrye> lol
KOLTA:Kolta> I am lost
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Milli Vannilli?
SATELLITE8> HAHAHA
ROYCE3:Royce3> There are a lot of incidents of animals directly warning
their masters of danger. What about the indirect communication?
FURBALLISHS> Satelite is hair!
SATELLITE8> LOL alchemira!!
DORCASQ> I'm getting the willis
SATELLITE8> LOL
MACIANI:maciani> silli milli vanilli stood stilli why the tape played on
SATELLITE8> i sense a total decompensation beginning!
ROYCE3:Royce3> All right, we are totally off topic here.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> oh no....were gooone.
1CAVERAT> Animals do seem to have an ability to sense danger
SCRYE:Scrye> OK SLOW DUMB!!!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> ** All group members are in the audience now **
ROYCE3:Royce3> All right. we are totally off topic.
KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off -
MACIANI:maciani> - signed off -
=07QUEUE from SCRYE:Scrye> We were good for an hour
ROYCE3:Royce3> I will open up the room again, but let's get on topic.
Scrye will start off with a thread.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Scrye.
SATELLITE8> yes sir.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Go
ROYCE3:Royce3> Scrye, are you there?
FURBALLISHS> So what was the topic?
SCRYE:Scrye> OK, Do you all think that interspecies communication
depends on being from the same ecosystem?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, the topic is plants communicating with humans.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> no
SCRYE:Scrye> Or the same planet at least?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> no
SATELLITE8> nope
DORCASQ> No
KOLTA:Kolta> No
ROYCE3:Royce3> NO
1CAVERAT> no
JOASHA:Joasha> no
FURBALLISHS> dunno!
SCRYE:Scrye> So then, would plants from other planets talk to our
plants?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Personally, I agree with the notion of interspecies
communication.
JOASHA:Joasha> yes
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> all composed of the same basic elements, one way or
the other.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> I would say so .
SCRYE:Scrye> How would they talk?
KOLTA:Kolta> I agree Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> I think we are talking about waves of influence.
ROYCE3:Royce3> A cosmic consciousness.
SCRYE:Scrye> They might have different chemical systems.
JOASHA:Joasha> yes
SATELLITE8> yes
ROYCE3:Royce3> And the crop circles are a good example.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> scrye, the issue of other plants is whether or not
they could exist within the same environment.
1CAVERAT> possible, but first we need to determine with certainty if our
plants talk to each other
SCRYE:Scrye> But if they don't "think"?
KOLTA:Kolta> Also, energies influencing other energies
1CAVERAT> and the method used
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> yes.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, there are a lot of definitions to the word Think.
SATELLITE8> how do we know they can't think?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Pnerissa, welcome back.
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> delphi hates me... : (
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Humans have this preconceived notion that think
means brain....the brain definition of the organ a human has.
KOLTA:Kolta> Delphi does not like me either
DORCASQ> You should talk nicer to Delphi, Pnerissa.
SATELLITE8> aha
SCRYE:Scrye> We have done that, Caverat. If you threaten a plant,
others in the same room may "faint"!
JOASHA:Joasha> in many of the tribes, the people of medicine would send
messages on the 'waves' of the plants, to other medicine people
1CAVERAT> agree, but is it thought or a reaction to the threat?
SCRYE:Scrye> I think reaction.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> light, sound and electric waves.
1CAVERAT> agree
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> Good <evil> Delphi...Good... (maybe I should talk to
it like a plant..hehe
SCRYE:Scrye> Very species-determined.
1CAVERAT> however it is still communication
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, I don't think we are talking about light, sound or
electric.
SCRYE:Scrye> yes
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> yes it is.
SCRYE:Scrye> But if the species as a whole has a "spirit"...
JOASHA:Joasha> I can think about needing to use a 'leaf' of one of my
aloe plants and walk into the greenhouse and one of the plants has layed
down the 'leaf' that is to be used
ROYCE3:Royce3> We seem to be touching on a sort of unknown transmission
path.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> hmmmm....
SCRYE:Scrye> Then Spirit may be a universal medium.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Joasha, Scrye has an interesting point there.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> to science, spirit is magnetic....I think.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> magnetic fields....
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> so how does one begin to understand the language of
plants do you think?
KOLTA:Kolta> Scrye made a very interesting point about spirit
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, telepathy has pretty much been proven not to be
magnetic.
SCRYE:Scrye> The medicine men must be in contact with the Spirit of the
species, to send signals to other humans.
JOASHA:Joasha> in my herb gardens, the grandmother plant will designate
which plants are to be harvested
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> ooh royce, please enlighten me about that.
SCRYE:Scrye> And who is she?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Telepathy is faster than light transmission.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Experiments were run over a long period of time with
people in....
SCRYE:Scrye> Yes, Royce.
1CAVERAT> Spirit as defined here may be simply an unknown energy capable
of scientific analysis
ROYCE3:Royce3> magnetically shielded rooms.
JOASHA:Joasha> the plant that is either the oldest of the species, or
the Elder in strength
1CAVERAT> if we can ask the right questions
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ROYCE3:Royce3> The telepathic communication continued.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Joe, welcome.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> actually joasha, that isnt the first time Ive heard
that..
SCRYE:Scrye> It is either FTL or so close to FTL that we cannot measure
the speed. I favor the latter idea.
JOE9991> hey all
ROYCE3:Royce3> There are a lot of papers about that if you are
interested.
SCRYE:Scrye> ty, Joasha.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> I heard of a scientific concept that older plants
are better able to process carbon monoxide than younger ones.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Joe we are talking about unknown methods of communication
among plants.
SCRYE:Scrye> They have wiser immune systems.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> better adapted?
JOE9991> alchemira really? plants processing carbon monoxide emissions in
atmosphere?
SCRYE:Scrye> They have been through more "changes".
1CAVERAT> more mature cells
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> yes.
JOASHA:Joasha> yes
JOE9991> royce, plants communicate???
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, Joe. One last time Dorcasq, part one.
SCRYE:Scrye> So if there is a mechanism, other individuals would be
"wise" to foillow "grandmother".
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> think about it, human beings adapt at a physical
and genetic level to environments...so does all life on this planet.
JOE9991> alch what kinda plants? these new plants made through genetic
manipulation?
DORCASQ> ok, geeeeez
JOASHA:Joasha> I believe so
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> yes scrye.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> no joe, all plants.
SCRYE:Scrye> Dorcasq is about to lay one on ya.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> The older a plant or a tree is the better it
processes CO2
JOE9991> alchemira all plants process carbon monoxide?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Don't print all of it Dorcasq, just the first part.
SCRYE:Scrye> Read it and wait a sec.
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ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> and carbon monoxide.
SCRYE:Scrye> OK
JOE9991> dorcaso thats interesting
ROYCE3:Royce3> So clearly we have something very interesting going on.
But how do they communicate?
ROYCE3:Royce3> That is the big question.
KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off -
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> hmmmm....
JOASHA:Joasha> I grow orchids, and they will alter their bloom cycle to
indicate the mood of the environment
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ROYCE3:Royce3> I think we must once again look to Bell's theorem
regarding faster than light communication.
JOE9991> dorcaso are you saying that ALL plants are adapting to the air
we are polluting. changing to process it with CO2.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> I still subscribe to the frequency theory...but then
again, I am not read on the subject.
1CAVERAT> joasha, define "mood of the environment"
DORCASQ> No, I am not saying that, Joe.
JOE9991> what then dorcaso?
JOASHA:Joasha> when the 'mood' is very up, or bountiful, they will force
bloom themselves in abundance.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I must remind everyone that we will conclude this
discussion at 7:30. We will be back here again tomorrow for a general
discussion. I want to thank everyone for participating here today.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> I was saying that they do process carbon dioxide.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> got it royce.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> It wasnt Dorcasq who said that.
JOASHA:Joasha> when the 'mood' is sad or painful, they will allow their
blooming time to pass, even tho they have bloom pods
JOE9991> alch i know im just saying are they processing air pollution and
carbon D?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> can you imagine what our planetary human emotional
being is doing??
JOE9991> alch im sorry put wrong name down..
SCRYE:Scrye> That is information, Joe, but there is more going on, too.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> thats ok.
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> what time is it your time?
ROYCE3:Royce3> 7:24
SCRYE:Scrye> We are long tonight.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> yes they are...and scrye is right.
DORCASQ> Isn't that why a lot of trees are planted along highways?
KOLTA:Kolta> It is 7:30
JOE9991> joe i just figured that all plants were slowly dying off
SCRYE:Scrye> 7:35.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I am going by my computer.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> yeah, but theyre young.
SCRYE:Scrye> bad idea.
SATELLITE8> i have 7:34
SATELLITE8> radio-controlled clock
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> I dont care.
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> fudge...can we go by my clock..mine's only 6:34..hehe
SATELLITE8> set to atomic time
1CAVERAT> Joasha, are there any other stimuli which could affect them
such as sad mood is subject to a more subdued light for instance
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> Ill quit chatting about this when the fat lady
sings.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I have 724, so we can run by this: it all comes out to 90
minutes.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, caverat suggested that we do some experiments.
ROYCE3:Royce3> How many are up for that?
1CAVERAT> yes
JOE9991> !
SCRYE:Scrye> 7+2+4 =3D 13 1+3=3D4
KOLTA:Kolta> Well, I need to go by my clock. I will talk to you all
tomorrow
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> I'll volunteer.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Bye kolta
ROYCE3:Royce3> Thanks for coming.
KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off -
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lets just put it this way, plants dont do too well
around me lately.
SCRYE:Scrye> sure, whose plants do we kill?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Caverat discuss the experiment.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> about the last 2 weeks.
JOASHA:Joasha> this is many years of observation Caverat, husband has
really come to relate to them, tho I am the care giver
ROYCE3:Royce3> Lay out the parameters.
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> Scrye!!
DORCASQ> My hunger tells me it is time to go. Thanks everyone, Bye. Yes
I'm for the experiments!
SCRYE:Scrye> sorry.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> lol
ROYCE3:Royce3> Bye, D
DORCASQ> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> Go ahead Caverat
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> byers D.
1CAVERAT> I will give some thought to a simple experiment and try to get
it on tomorrows chat if thats ok
SCRYE:Scrye> Seperates the wheat from the chaff.
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> I suggest starting with a new batch of plants,
preferably from seed, this spring
SCRYE:Scrye> Bleeding tomatoes!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, that will be fine, Caverat.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> sounds good caverat.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> SCRYE!
SCRYE:Scrye> Good, caverat.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> :(
1CAVERAT> It needs to be thought out so the tests are not preconcluded
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, that is it for tonight folks. I have enjoyed this
chat a lot.
SATELLITE8> thanks Royce!
JOASHA:Joasha> bye
ROYCE3:Royce3> I will see all of you tomorrow.
JOASHA:Joasha> - signed off -
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> thanks royce!!
/no log
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> should I terrorize my plants with my pet turtles?
ISLEANDERS> seeya RRRRRRR
SCRYE:Scrye> I know this will work, but the plans must not be in a
skeptic's care. No offense, Cave.
SATELLITE8> hahah
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> ok scrye.
SCRYE:Scrye> It is initial conditions and all.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Scrye, if you want to run an after chat chat, that will
be fine.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I have a dinner to prepare.
SATELLITE8> wow
SCRYE:Scrye> OK, this bunch in?
SATELLITE8> what are you making royce?
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> and I have a pool game to go to!
1CAVERAT> Should be dual experiment so the results are not biased
ROYCE3:Royce3> I have stopped the log.
/no log
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> in bout 10 min.
PNERISSA:Pnerissa> yes
JOE9991> ive got a theory..life in the jungle can be pretty vicious,
what with prey and predators..think about all the plants in the rain
forest. lots of vicious killing going on with predators and prey . a
JOE9991> monkey being eaten by a jaguar or other carnivorous animal.
the plants still flourish. nothing pretty in the jungle, except to us.
the flowers or whatever...just a thought
SCRYE:Scrye> Yes, two places w/2 plants minimum each.
ALCHEMIRA:Alchemira> just all a part of the natural cycle.
1CAVERAT> right!
/EXIT
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