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This log begins with reference to an ESP experiment being planned by Jim Brown. 12/14/99 1CAVERAT just joined "Ufotalk-Time" (7 members now) **
ROYCE3:Royce3> Information has already been posted about the protocols.
1CAVERAT> hi all
ROYCE3:Royce3> hi
ROYCE3:Royce3> We were just talking about you.
KOLTA:Kolta> Timing is perfect
1CAVERAT> my ears were burning!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, I was just saying that I hope the experiment is to
advance knowledge about remote veiwing rather than prove its existence.
1CAVERAT> it is
ROYCE3:Royce3> Good.
SATELLITE8> hi caverat
ROYCE3:Royce3> Who is sponsoring it?
1CAVERAT> we already know from earlier research by others it exists
1CAVERAT> The UFO group I am associated with
ROYCE3:Royce3> Ok
1CAVERAT> I have an update
ROYCE3:Royce3> good
KOLTA:Kolta> Good
1CAVERAT> The latest info I have regarding the ESP test is that a problem has
been encountered with the communication software. Hopefully a correction can
be made and the test conducted next week. I will
1CAVERAT> e-mail all who have expressed an interest in participating as soon
as I get the information. As of now you know as much as I do about what is
going on. Protocols are keeping me in the dark too.
1CAVERAT> This just came in
KOLTA:Kolta> Thanks Caverat
ROYCE3:Royce3> All right, we can't ask for more.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I wonder how Penelope is doing with her experiment?
1CAVERAT> They have established several double blind modes into the test
1CAVERAT> Haven't heard
ROYCE3:Royce3> Caverat, can you tell us what group you are with? Or would you
rather not say?
1CAVERAT> It is not an "official" group. We don't even have a name
ROYCE3:Royce3> Ok.
SCRYE:Scrye> .
JOASHA:Joasha> .
1CAVERAT> A group of researchers is the best I can say
KOLTA:Kolta> That is good enough
ROYCE3:Royce3> You said you wanted to have a considerable number of people
involved, however--that is involved with the experiment.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello, Devu, welcome.
DEVU> hI ALL
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are talking about an upcoming esp experiment.
DEVU> Hi Royce..
1CAVERAT> The goal is a larger experiment next year, possibly 6000
participants if all goes well
KOLTA:Kolta> Wow!!!!!!!
1CAVERAT> This is kind of a dry run this time
ROYCE3:Royce3> And the experiment will be internet based?
1CAVERAT> yes
DEVU> oh...nice..Royce..I will love to listen it..
ROYCE3:Royce3> Actually, Devu, you many participate.
ROYCE3:Royce3> It is up to you.
1CAVERAT> There will be quite a few test conductors, of which I am one
ROYCE3:Royce3> I see.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Very good
DEVU> oh...thanks..Royce..though I will like to participated...
1CAVERAT> If we get the bugs worked out of software
ROYCE3:Royce3> 6000 people is a lot of people.
KOLTA:Kolta> yes, it is
DEVU> yea...a great lot though..
1CAVERAT> I hope to have more details maybe by tomorrow
ROYCE3:Royce3> Good, please post it as soon as you receive it.
1CAVERAT> will do
KOLTA:Kolta> in the long run, I assume you need a great many people
1CAVERAT> that is correct. Each test conductor can handle up to 12
DEVU> - signed off -
1CAVERAT> More than that the group feels may be too many
ROYCE3:Royce3> They are probably right.
SATELLITE8> can people with APPLE computers participate too?
1CAVERAT> for the software to process
ROYCE3:Royce3> Good question, Sat.
1CAVERAT> yes. You don't need any special software
KOLTA:Kolta> Yes, it is
ROYCE3:Royce3> Cool
1CAVERAT> I'm the only one who needs the communication software
1CAVERAT> You just need to be able to use a chat room
ROYCE3:Royce3> Caverat, I have a little request. Can you check out a
program--a game--that someone says has a virus. My Norton software gives it a
clean bill of health.
1CAVERAT> As far as I can determine, Delphi meets all criteria
1CAVERAT> what prog. royce?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Sorry, I don't mean to change the subject. I give other
people hell for that.
KOLTA:Kolta> Yes, because I have a question for Caverat.
ROYCE3:Royce3> It is a little Christmas program--elves bowling.
1CAVERAT> Its good. I have it
ROYCE3:Royce3> Ok.
KOLTA:Kolta> I keep being bounced out of Delphi. Will that create a problem
if I participate?
1CAVERAT> comes from NStorm inc
ROYCE3:Royce3> They said it goes off on Christmas day.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes.
1CAVERAT> no. I will lock you in to a private room day of test
KOLTA:Kolta> Thanks.
1CAVERAT> Likely I will use my unused forum's chat for the test
1CAVERAT> SmartHouse
KOLTA:Kolta> ok
KOLTA:Kolta> Just tell me how to get on when the time comes
1CAVERAT> But nobody ever goes there.
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DORCASQ> Hi!
SCRYE:Scrye> NOTE: To sign up for the ESP experiment, respond to the post
"ESP Experiment" under General Discussion on our Message Board.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi dorcasq.
1CAVERAT> You just log in like you do here, although I will likely set up a
password Kolta> Then, when the time comes, just give me the password
1CAVERAT> I will give it to all interested
.Joasha> that would be smart Caverat
.Kolta> I appreciate this Caverat
1CAVERAT> any more questions?
.Royce3> Caverat, I will set up a special page on the web site, too.
.Royce3> That will supplement the message board.
1CAVERAT> Im at work so i can't stay long
.Royce3> No problem, caverat.
1CAVERAT> OK royce
.Royce3> You know today was the day for the alien abduction discussion.
However, Von Ristau can't make it today.
1CAVERAT> I would appreciate all participants e-mailing me directly so I have
addresses on file for better response times
1CAVERAT> jbrown@hhs.net
.Kolta> Very good
.Scrye> OK, should they use your Delphi Email link?
.Scrye> Is that the same?
1CAVERAT> No. use the jbrown@hhs.net address
.Scrye> OK Please Disregard previous note from me!
.jefflove> ok
1CAVERAT> OK
1CAVERAT> catch you later. I'm cutting into your discussion time
.Royce3> No, problem.
.Kolta> Glad to have you
.Royce3> See you later.
.Joasha> so what is the discussion then???
1CAVERAT> later
.Royce3> Well, we are supposed to discuss the alien abduction article that
Von Ristau posted.
.Royce3> However, Von Ristau isn 't able to make it tonight.
.Royce3> How many have read the article?
SATELLITE8> i did
.Kolta> I have
DORCASQ> one
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SATELLITE8> very scary
.Kolta> Very negative
SATELLITE8> i think some of that stuff happened to me
.Royce3> Did you have a chance to see it, Joasha?
SATELLITE8> in fact i am sure of it
.Royce3> I have it on the web site.
.Joasha> I did, but it is really not of interest to me. not trying to be a
smart alec. just.....
.Royce3> Well, that is all right.
SATELLITE8> i also read the Hopi article.
SATELLITE8> between the tofu and the abduction i don't stand a chance.
.Royce3> I think the key supposition is that the aliens may be demons.
.Scrye> The problem with Von Ristau's material is that it is very well
documented.
.Kolta> - signed off -
DORCASQ> Why is that a problem?
.Scrye> Demons or not, the experiences detailed are quite negative.
.Royce3> Well, Scrye is right. There is a lot of good information.
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.Royce3> And it is well documented.
.jefflove> ok
.Kolta> This is true
DORCASQ> Why is it a problem that it is well documented, Scrye?
.Royce3> All of this centers around the paranormal/ET connection.
.Scrye> It is a problem for all who ascribe good motives to the aliens in
general.
SATELLITE8> wow scrye.
.Royce3> Yes.
.Kolta> Not to all of us Scrye
SATELLITE8> your spelling is atrocious
.Royce3> Of course, just because some aliens may be demons doesn't mean all
are.
.Kolta> Right
.Scrye> It is mostly my spacing, Sat.
.Royce3> And I think that is one of the key points.
.Joasha> oh, I don't disbelieve it. Just have read and talked with so many
over the years, that it is very difficult not to have some resolution for the
people that have such trauma.
DORCASQ> A lot of people seem to have had these bad experiences.
.Scrye> In both senses.
SATELLITE8> mine was very very scary
SATELLITE8> yet they were so nice to me
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SATELLITE8> hi W
.Royce3> Hello, Watanna, welcome.
.Watanna> Hi everyone
.Joasha> heyla Watanna
.Royce3> Watanna, did you have a chance to read Von Ristau's article? Some of
us have read it; others have not.
.Scrye> Well, since you were being "treated" in an originally conventional
setting, Sat, there is still a question as to whether they WERE aliens.
SATELLITE8> correct.
.Watanna> what is it regarding Royce?
.Scrye> Dorcasq will help my spelling!
.Royce3> Alien abduction; it is on the web site.
.Watanna> yes I have then :-)
DORCASQ> nosing rong mit yur speling, Scrue.
.Watanna> lol
.Royce3> Very good, Watanna. What is your impression?
.Joasha> hehehehe
.Scrye> Messie BUcups, Q.
.Watanna> Spirituality has been around the Earth alot longer than the greys
.Joasha> now this is cool
.jefflove> have any members of this audience been abducted?
.Royce3> I want to remind everyone that I have to leave at 6:30 EDT, so Scrye
will be taking over then. All of this is due to my fouled up schedule.
.Scrye> Can't say, but I've been marked.
.Watanna> I haven't but my 5 year old nephew was
.Kolta> I have been contacted, but have no memory of abduction
DORCASQ> no abduction for me.
.Joasha> not me, but many of my friends and acquaintances
SATELLITE8> they put stuff in my arm
SATELLITE8> and scanned my brains
.Royce3> I have a friend who was abducted. Me? I can't get a ride on a
spaceship for love nor money.
.Watanna> lol
.Joasha> I can honestly say, that I have never heard of an indian being
abducted
.Kolta> Patience, Royce
.Royce3> Yeah, I know , Kolta.
.Scrye> Very interesting pont, Joasha.
.Watanna> this may be your lucky night
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.Joasha> that thought just entered my head
.Royce3> The point has been made that few African Americans have been
abducted.
.Royce3> Hi Maciani
.Scrye> Now HERE is a prime candidate!
.Kolta> There are also no abduction reports in Mexico in spite of all the
sightings there
.maciani> hi royce
.Scrye> just kidding, M.
.Joasha> now this is very intriguing
.Royce3> I never head that. No abductions in Mexico?
.maciani> I think lots of africans were abducted though
.maciani> salright scrye
.Scrye> There HAVE been abductions in Mexico!
.Royce3> Well, the reports are mixed, Maciani.
.Kolta> Not according to one video i saw
.maciani> they were all taken over here on slave ships
.Scrye> And a very famous series involving a worker at a church.
.Royce3> Well, we seem to have a disagreement about Mexico.
.maciani> and make work in the cotton fields
DORCASQ> That is slavery, Maciana, not abduction.
.Joasha> but ratio
.Scrye> He had wholly positive experiences, the Mexican.
.maciani> well it starts with abduction
.maciani> and by the way where are my books dorcasq
.Kolta> Mexicans, thought might be more positive about it
DORCASQ> Your books were abducted, Maciani!
.maciani> lol
.Watanna> I too have never heard of a Native being abducted Joasha
SATELLITE8> yes by Mexicans
.Joasha> maciani please, we really are trying to develop some real hypothesis
here
.Royce3> Yes, let's stay on the thread.
.Scrye> I believe our friend Joyce Murphy had some Mexican contactees in her
travels. Is that correct?
.jefflove> w
.Royce3> Oh, yes, that is her contention, Scrye.
.Kolta> Right, Scrye
.Scrye> ty, Royce.
.Scrye> K :)
.Joasha> has anyone ever really tried to establish any kind of commonality in
the reported cases
.Royce3> Trouble with Joyce is, she doesn't document things very well.
.Scrye> Abduction/contact is not respective of national boundaries. But
posssibly of race.
.Royce3> Joasha, there is a lot of work being done by Mack and Hopkins.
.Joasha> is there a common thread that runs through any of the cases
.Royce3> But I don't know if they have addressed the matter of race.
.maciani> maybe they cant catch the faster races
.Kolta> I have never seen where race was discussed
.Joasha> me either, that is why the thought was so clear
.Royce3> One black researcher that I heard speak told me that he has a very
difficult time finding blacks who are even interested in the subject.
.Scrye> I have seen a reference recently...trying to remember.
.Scrye> Barney Hill is the exception rather than the rule. Perhaps the same
obtains with Native Americans. Or in their case, lower populations may be a
factor.
.Royce3> There is clearly a need for a lot more research. And the internet is
probably the way to go, since it cuts down on the costs of research. Maybe we
can one day launch such a program.
.Watanna> that would be interesting
.maciani> I thought barney hill fessed up
.Royce3> I think you are on to something there, Scrye. In the case of native
Americans, there just aren't that many.
.Scrye> Also, there is the clear correlation between country and TYPE of
alien reported most frequently.
.Kolta> Do not forget, not everyone reports their expeiences, so that leaves
out a lot of data
.Joasha> we have a fellow who attends all of the 'expos' around here who is
African American, and he is a big ufo follower. believe his name is Walter
.Royce3> Kolta is quite correct.
.Scrye> Confessed to what, M?
.maciani> that it was all fiction
DORCASQ> We don't really know what race the people are who report abductions,
do we?
.maciani> a setup
.Royce3> Joasha, now that is interesting. Suggest that he join us here
sometime.
.Kolta> No we don't, Dorcasq
.Scrye> Frankly impossible to have set it up, IMHO.
.Watanna> I think it is world wide, with thousands who say nothing and
thousands that go missing
.maciani> so even if he claimed he was lying you wont believe him?
.Royce3> Yes, Watanna, very true.
.Scrye> And we may assume, thousands who REMEMBER nothing, and so have
nothing to notice.
.Watanna> thats true Scrye
.maciani> why may we assume any such thing
.Scrye> Pretty much so, M.
.Royce3> Maciani, the hoaxes are forever a problem. However, as you know,
some people change their stories simply to avoid pressures.
.maciani> why not assume that all the ones that remember are mistaken
.Scrye> The problem is that he alone couldn't be responsible.
.Kolta> Then there are those who are just starting to report and remember
experiences they had a long time ago
.Joasha> a thought....NA's know they are for real, AA's ignore them, Mexico
has most sightings, Caucasian has most reported abductions
.maciani> or assume that every second story is true
.Kolta> - signed off -
.Royce3> In a court of law taking back a confession doesn't get it.
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.Watanna> think your right there Joasha
.maciani> dont you think thats a big assumption
.Scrye> Yes, Royce, but confessing a hoax gets some attention, at least.
.Watanna> They live on our fears
.Kolta> True, Wat.
.Joasha> that is just a thought from the conversation here maciani. not a
statement of positive proof. okay???
.Royce3> And we must admit that there are a lot of elaborate hoaxes. And it
is true that confessing a hoax gets attention.
.maciani> I think purley by occams razor its safer to assume all the stories
are not true
.Scrye> They are curious about ALL our emotions. With a recent emphasis on
fear.
.maciani> I'm not suggesting you do that but that you dont assume at all
.Scrye> Well, they cannot ALL be true, M.
.Royce3> Right, Scrye.
.Watanna> If we all thought that M, then 3 thirds of the world is
hallucinating
.Joasha> we are '
.maciani> and thats an unacceptable explanation?
.Scrye> We are talking about enough documented cases that the phenomenon is
well established.
.Watanna> why?
.Joasha> discussing, not writing history
.maciani> and that beings from other dimensions care about youre emotions
isnt?
.Scrye> It is futile to argue NO ABDUCTIONS HAPPEN here.
.Watanna> M?
.maciani> no but it is stupid to assume that thousands of unreported ones do
.Royce3> Yes, there is something going on. And I can't accept the notion that
vast numbers of people have gone nuts.
.Joasha> - signed off -
.maciani> just like it is stupid to assume they dont
.Scrye> Not at all, M. The phenomenon of blocked memories in these cases is
widespread.
.maciani> bit of an oxymoron there
.Scrye> Therefore, since people are all the time remembering old experiences,
it is safe to extrapolate that more old experiences are out there.
.Royce3> Folks, as I said earlier, I have to leave at 6:30, and that time is
about here. I will see you all tomorrow.
.Kolta> Very good point Scrye
.Royce3> bye
.Watanna> Bye Royce
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.Kolta> Bye royce, thanks
.Scrye> OK, thank you, Royce! Remember to end you log!
.Scrye> I need mod
.maciani> its not even safe to accept the things people claim to remember
.maciani> not to mind extrapolating from that
.Scrye> It is when the non-published details they remember are identical.
.Watanna> it is not safe to not believe the multitudes.
.Kolta> I want to put myself on the line here to prove a point. May i, Scrye
.maciani> its even more unsafe if details are identical
.maciani> like galileo
.Watanna> but what if they are truth M
.Scrye> I am sorry, M, we would like to discuss more advanced hypotheses
here, than the existence of abductions.
.maciani> what if theya re not
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.Scrye> Go Kolta!
.Kolta> Thanks.
.Scrye> Save it please, M.
.Scrye> Hi, Azele.
.Kolta> I have not been abducted but I have had contact.....
.maciani> whats the point in having an advanced hypotheses based on a fallacy
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.Scrye> ** Published group **
.Kolta> Those who do not know me would think I am crazy....
.maciani> I dont know you and I dont necessarily think so yet
.ILeanDover> hello room
.Scrye> We shall not argue it more tonight, M, thank you.
.Kolta> The test here is whether or not those who do know me would think I am
the type of person to lie about this
.Scrye> Hello, ILeaned.
DORCASQ> I know you, Kolta, and I KNOW you wouldn't lie about it.
.ILeanDover> (grin) hi there
.Kolta> There are people in this room who know me well enough to answer that
.Watanna> I know Kolta, go on
.Kolta> That is how you tell M
.Kolta> by the reliabillity of the person relating the experience
.Scrye> We are discussing abduction theory and experience, Azele/ILeaned.
.Watanna> I too have contact, and I too am not crazy
DORCASQ> I have never had any kind of experience with aliens but I believe
others when they say they have.
.Kolta> Thanks D
.ILeanDover> abduction theory.... cool, i like it
.Scrye> Very well, we have established that the room believes in the
phenomenon, with the exception of Maciani.
.Watanna> lol
.ILeanDover> i believe aliens are out there and some may be crazy enough to
take us weird humans, but i am not sure who would be telling the truth about
being abducted
.Scrye> And possibly one other.
.Watanna> lol
.Scrye> So, how many believe the ET hypothesis? That they are from Out There?
.Kolta> I do
.Watanna> I do :-)
.Scrye> I do, with qualifications.
.Scrye> Jeff does I presume.
.Scrye> Sat?
.ILeanDover> I do too. I mean this place is just too darn large just to have
us.
DORCASQ> What does "out there" mean, I forget the ET hypothesis?
.Scrye> Dorcasq?
.ILeanDover> But, the better question is, would they look like us?
.Scrye> Not of this planet Earth.
DORCASQ> Ok, yes, I believe that.
.Watanna> some do look like us, some dont
.Scrye> Irrelevant until later, ILeaned.
.ILeanDover> ok
.Scrye> OK, IF they are what we think, WHY should they abduct at all?
.ILeanDover> what is currently relevant, scrye?
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.Scrye> Ideas/ hypotheses?
.Scrye> Hi, Penny.
.Watanna> well, I have heard that they have no souls and that they would like
ours
.Kolta> There have been many theories brought forward.
.Scrye> Chalk one up for demonic behavior by ETs!
.Scrye> Any others?
PENELOPE76> Hi folks!
.Kolta> They created us and they are trying to help us to improve
DORCASQ> I think everyone's experience is different depending on their
beliefs.
.ILeanDover> would you pick a flower for study? some races/aliens may see us
as lower life forms. (??)
.Watanna> true D
.Scrye> We have established that the majority here believe abductions are
happening, and by ETs.
PENELOPE76> But if they don't have a soul, why would they miss having one?
.maciani> funny again you assume and this time I know your assumption is
incorrect
.Scrye> Why would they do it?
.maciani> you assume i dont believe in abduction but you are wrong
.Watanna> Dont know, its another theory, it is said they lack emotion and are
envious of us
.maciani> I just dislike your almost facist approach to discussion
.Scrye> Sorry, we just wanted to move a little beyond that issue.
.Kolta> Another argument?
.maciani> whats wrong with argument
SATELLITE8> hi penny
.Scrye> Goodness, M, we have discussed the alternatives many times,, and will
again.
PENELOPE76> Envy would imply they have emotions
.maciani> its how knowledge progresses
SATELLITE8> yeah. how would they know what a soul is?
.Kolta> Because, M, it is preventing us from moving on with the discussion
.Watanna> well, they like our emotions Pen
.Scrye> I want to go a bit INTO the phenomenon that we mostly all feel is
real, M.
SATELLITE8> even our crazy emotions?
PENELOPE76> Hi Satellite 8!
SATELLITE8> hi!@
.maciani> but its not a discussion if it only goes where you want it to go
PENELOPE76> They can have mine
.maciani> its a lecture
DORCASQ> WHERE DO YOU WANT IT TO GO, MACIANI?
.Kolta> - signed off -
.Scrye> It is not a discussion if ONE PERSON prevents it from going anywhere!
.maciani> to your house dorcasq
SATELLITE8> i will share but they can't have the whole thing!
.Watanna> Why dont you join in M instead of moaning all the time
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.maciani> I am joining in you just see it as moaning because its not a
kowtowing agreement
.Scrye> Ok, we have a topic and some people on record. Any other opinions?
PENELOPE76> What are you keeping Sat? :)
.Watanna> you sound like a right misery
.Scrye> You need not agree, M, Just need to listen a while.
.maciani> lol another brilliant assumption?
PENELOPE76> What is the topic?
.Scrye> You have interrupted each new issue wih the same one of yours.
DORCASQ> Alien abduction, Penelope.
.Scrye> THe topic: Abduction. Current question: Why?
PENELOPE76> ty Dorcasq
.Watanna> The thing that bothers me about abduction is the thousands of
people that go missing
SATELLITE8> 90% of my soul
.Scrye> Entertaining competing explanations now.
SATELLITE8> they can only have 10%
PENELOPE76> Answer: Why not?
.Watanna> they can have none of mine lol
.Scrye> Explain that Sat?
.Kolta> No one can really take our soul if we do not allow them to do so
SATELLITE8> i would share a small portion of my soul
.Scrye> You mean allow its possession??
SATELLITE8> i would try to show them
SATELLITE8> what having a soul is like
.Kolta> Yes, Scrye
.Kolta> The soul is that which is truly us
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.Scrye> I am asking Sat in particular :).
.Kolta> Sorry
SATELLITE8> well, if there is a way they can "take" your soul
PENELOPE76> Well, we have been abducting people from other countries forever,
why not beings from other galaxies abducting us?
MEAGAN69> Hi everyone! *S*
.Scrye> Hi Meagan!
.ILeanDover> - signed off -
PENELOPE76> Is there any way to speed the typing and sending on this darn
thing? Most frustrating!!!!
.Scrye> "Why not" doesn't really go to motive, Penny.
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.Scrye> wb Joasha.
SATELLITE8> they already scanned my brains
.Watanna> heyla Joasha
SATELLITE8> they probably know all about my soul
.Scrye> Serial bumping in progress.
SATELLITE8> weird. i have not been bumped. yet.
.Scrye> But is it yours or theirs, Sat?
SATELLITE8> mine
SATELLITE8> unless they steal it clean away from me
PENELOPE76> Motive - slaves~ experiments~possessions~ same thing humans have
done
.Scrye> And you would give up a portion of its control?
SATELLITE8> like brainwash me or something
.Watanna> yes but its against the Divine law for one species to interfere
with another
SATELLITE8> not control so much as give them a percent to allow them to
SATELLITE8> experience having a soul
SATELLITE8> if they had good intentions
.Scrye> That is not an ADVANCED motive, Penny! How many think THEY are no
better than US?
PENELOPE76> That is assuming that all follow the Divine Law
MEAGAN69> - signed off -
.Watanna> they dont or they wouldnt
.Scrye> Do we have a choice, Penny?
PENELOPE76> Just because they got here first, doesn't imply advancement in
all areas, as you put it
.Scrye> W, I believe ALL species interfere with all others. Everything
affects everything else!
SATELLITE8> i agree
PENELOPE76> All behaviour is a choice :)
.Scrye> Having technology doesn't imply superiority? Blasphemy!
.Kolta> What is important in abductions, is how we deal with them
PENELOPE76> agree Scrye
SATELLITE8> i need more Ovaltine. its cold in my room
.Scrye> Well, that may be the next issue, K. How many think THEY are
superior in motives to us?
DORCASQ> They may not be superior spiritually, though, Scrye.
.maciani> I think they probably are though
PENELOPE76> You just said they do not have souls, so why not grab us and add
to the collection of Earth people?
.maciani> - signed off -
.Joasha> .
.Scrye> Yes, my real point, Dorcasq.
.Scrye> Who said??
.Watanna> Its just a theory
.Scrye> Penny?
.Kolta> Not having souls for them is a theory, not fact
.Joasha> agree
.Scrye> It may even be a theory TO them! lol
PENELOPE76> Earlier discussion when I came in
DORCASQ> Right, Kolta
.Watanna> lol
PENELOPE76> ok
.Watanna> another theory is that they are breeding with us
PENELOPE76> type and send is now too damn slow!
.Scrye> We may have somehow convinced them we have souls! And now they want
them!
.Watanna> lol
.Kolta> They still cannot take our souls if we do not want to give them
.Scrye> We should have sold them Zircons or something else.
.Scrye> Interesting point, K.
DORCASQ> Sitchen's theory is that we were created by them to be their slaves,
right?
PENELOPE76> For breeding?
DORCASQ> And then we started breeding with them.
.Scrye> How does one resist the temptation to give in completely to an
alien's control?
PENELOPE76> Good night, bingo at the old folks home. Have fun!!!
.Watanna> has anyone any other theories?
.Scrye> See you, Penny!
.Joasha> by penny
.Scrye> I think we are pawns in a galactic power struggle.
.Watanna> Sitchens beings were human like giants called the Annunaki
.Kolta> What is important, Scrye, is how we react to the situation
.Scrye> Over genes and the domination of planets.
.Watanna> I agree Scrye
.Scrye> I agree, Kolta.
.Kolta> More theories
PENELOPE76> - signed off -
.Scrye> We may never know the real reasons.
.Watanna> no, but its fun guessing lol
.Kolta> Another theory is they want to make sure we still populate the planet
after earth changes
.Joasha> hehe
.Scrye> Soitainly!
DORCASQ> Yes, that is about all we can do is guess.
SATELLITE8> scrye was born under the sign of Curly
.Watanna> lol Sat
.Scrye> Well, they may have helped us survive previous changes, through
changing us.
.Kolta> lol
.Joasha> did someone say 'moe'?
.Watanna> I hope so for the sake of humanity
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.Scrye> ive me Moe!
.Joasha> lol
.Scrye> G!
.Kolta> Where is Larry?
.Scrye> Hi Dahliafana!
.Joasha> looking
SATELLITE8> is this the after-chat?
.Scrye> No Moe!
.Scrye> No afterchat tonight.
.Joasha> sure, why not
SATELLITE8> i need a hot bath
SATELLITE8> .i am freezing
.Joasha> having dessert first
.Scrye> Seroiusly, we can go on to Kolta's theme.
DAHLIAFANA> - signed off -
DORCASQ> What is Kolta's theme again?
.Scrye> How should we react to the fact of abduction?
.Kolta> Is this an after chat or are we going to get back on topic
.Joasha> would you pronounce that
.Scrye> Of ourselves or our neighbors?
.Watanna> I think we have to be careful with that
.Kolta> My theory is that they are here to raise our consciousness
DORCASQ> Careful with what, Watanna?
.Scrye> SEE-ROY-US-LEE
.Watanna> no-one seems to know if they are friend or foe
SATELLITE8> my experience is that they are clinical yet try to mimic
compassion
.Watanna> we can raise our own consciousness
.Kolta> I do not think it is either friend or foe.
.Scrye> K, aren't WE here to raise our consciousness?
.Kolta> Yes, but some want to help a little. In the long run, it is up to us
.Scrye> There was an abductee who was taken before a "council" of aliens....
.Scrye> THey asked him, how can we help you?
.Watanna> I think I will stay in the middle on this one, until I know myself
their motive
.Kolta> - signed off -
.Scrye> He said, "Please help me to be less afraid of you!"
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SATELLITE8> this is going nowhere. goodnight people.
.Scrye> That is what has been happening for some time now. Trying to assuage
our fears.
DORCASQ> And did they help him, Scrye?
.Watanna> night Sat
SATELLITE8> night.
.Scrye> By Sat!
.jefflove> - signed off -
.Scrye> Just because they have a good bedside manner, doesn't mean they mean
well on all scores.
DORCASQ> Maybe we need a new topic?
SATELLITE8> - signed off -
.Scrye> Sure, but for the record, how many think they may be demonic?
.Scrye> It was Von Ristau's conjecture.
.Kolta> And just because they abduct without permission means they mean any
harm
.Watanna> I think that some are
DORCASQ> I don't think they are demonic.
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.Kolta> Most are not demonic. Some are
.Scrye> Possibly, but only in effect. Not purely.
.Scrye> Anyone else think they are demonic?
.Scrye> wb Jeff.
.Watanna> some yes for sure
.jefflove> Do these ETs serve Satan?
.Watanna> some do
.Kolta> But some of us serve Satan also
.Scrye> Again, maybe not consciously, Jeff.
.Joasha> night all
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DORCASQ> I think people make their own demons in their mind.
.Scrye> But in effect, possibly.
.Kolta> That is true D
.Kolta> Satan only has as much power as we give him
.Scrye> Well said, Dorcasq. Some may fear Curly.
.Watanna> we give him lots
DORCASQ> If I ever meet up with an alien it will be ANGELIC!
.Watanna> I meet them all of the time lol
.Scrye> I give Satan nil, or try to.
.Kolta> Good for you Dorcasq
DORCASQ> Thanks, K!
.Scrye> I would hate to play the angel to his devil!
.Kolta> D, :-)
.Scrye> OK, we are open to a change of topic for 15 minutes.
.Scrye> Maciani would have had his chance NOW.
As of 19:13:44
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.Watanna> lol
DORCASQ> Everybody is gone!
.Kolta> Maciani was really getting on my nerves
.Watanna> and mine
DORCASQ> He is a pain in the ---
.Scrye> Impatience is a devilish trait!
.Scrye> Now, D, not so long as YOU are here!
DORCASQ> ok
.Scrye> Now when did Joasha leave?
.Kolta> A little while back
DORCASQ> A little while ago, Scrye.
.Scrye> I am sorry I missed her goodbye.
.Watanna> must go everyone, thank you its 12.15 here
.Kolta> I don't think she said goodbye
.Watanna> - signed off -
.jefflove> - signed off -
.Scrye> She did, and immed. left. Just looked.
DORCASQ> Well, maybe I will eat dinner early tonight.
.Kolta> I missed that then
.Scrye> Like a wraith!
.Scrye> Through an interdimensional crack!
DORCASQ> Other nights I couldn't get a word in edgewise and now there is
nothing to say.
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.Scrye> We shall all leave at 7:30 if you can stay that long. What topic, D?
.Scrye> Hi Ghostrider!
.Kolta> You always have oodthings to say, Dorcasq
GHOSTRYDER_9> Any one here live in Waterloo?
DORCASQ> odd things, yes, Kolta.
.Scrye> Say an oodthing!
.Kolta> oddthing
DORCASQ> If you can't say anything good say something odd!
GHOSTRYDER_9> any one a ufologist?
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GHOSTRYDER_9> hello?
.Scrye> G, we are amateur students.
GHOSTRYDER_9> waterloo high
DORCASQ> We aren't official ufologists, Ghostryder
.Scrye> We have some serious people, however.
.Kolta> We are professional students and amateur Ufologists
.StarRing> Sorry everybody for being so late.
.Scrye> Some of us.
DORCASQ> Good, K
.Scrye> Hi , StarRing.
.StarRing> hi
GHOSTRYDER_9> I was looking for some real ufologists
GHOSTRYDER_9> - signed off -
.Scrye> We can connect you.
.Scrye> Oops
DORCASQ> Well
.Kolta> Impatient, wasn't he?
.Scrye> That's a topic: What's a real Ufologist?
.Scrye> In ten words!
DORCASQ> Yea, what is one?
.Kolta> In some ways, we are all real Ufologists
.Scrye> Not me.
.Kolta> You study Ufology, Scrye
.Scrye> I wouldn't know one unless it landed in my yard.
DORCASQ> You a fake ufologist, Scrye?
.Scrye> Well, then K, I am a meta-ufologist.
.Scrye> I study Ufology, not UFOs.
DORCASQ> I never meta ufologist.
.Scrye> I study some Ufologists, too.
.Scrye> By osmosis.
.Kolta> The trouble is, there are no degrees in Ufology
DORCASQ> Royce is going to be so proud of us!
.Scrye> Dr. Wolf. Strieber. Boylan.
.Scrye> No degrees and no disbarments!
.Kolta> Wolf says he is a scientist and not a ufologist
DORCASQ> Got rid of everyone before the end of the chat.
.Scrye> He is right, K.
.Kolta> i know he is right
.Scrye> Pardon me, Dorcasq?
DORCASQ> Nothing...just filling up space.
.Kolta> How many of us are here?
.Scrye> It is a holiday chat. Four left. We did well with the small crowd,
I think.
.Scrye> Probably never more than seven.
.Kolta> I think we did very well
DORCASQ> Yes
.Scrye> The log will tell the tale, right, D?!
DORCASQ> It should, Scrye.
.Kolta> I still think Royce would be proud of us
.Scrye> I do speak more than Royce.
.Scrye> And rule perhaps too firmly.
.Scrye> He should be proud we were on topic, though.
DORCASQ> That is why everyone got scared away.
.Scrye> You guys aren't scared of me!
.Kolta> Why did everyone get scared away??????
.Kolta> I know you too well to be scared of you Scrye
.Scrye> I'm an S.O.B.
DORCASQ> Because of Scrye's firm ruling, K.
.StarRing> hardly
.Scrye> Same tioing in Trumanese.
.Kolta> You are not that firm
DORCASQ> ???
.Scrye> Well, I won't poll on that!
.Kolta> Well, how many times has he put us in audience to quiet us?
.Kolta> None
.Scrye> OK, That's a wrap. We shall have open chat tomorrow.
DORCASQ> That's right, we are afraid to talk.
.Scrye> No more complaints until then.
.Kolta> OK I shiver and I shake
DORCASQ> Ok, see you all, thanks, Bye for now.
.Kolta> Thanks Scrye
.Kolta> By D
.Scrye> Good of you all to stay!
.Scrye> Good night!
.StarRing> good night
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