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Dangers Of The Occult!

(Logging at 8-FEB-2000 18:01)
DORCASQ> Hi Royce and Kolta!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Dorcasq
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi jeff
ROYCE3:Royce3> How is everyone doing today?
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> Bye jeff
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KOLTA:Kolta> When I signed on it said no live chats. Or did we come at the
same time?
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1CAVERAT> hi all
WATANNA:Watanna> Hi everyone :-)
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Wantanna, welcome.
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Caverat
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Sat.
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> hi
1CAVERAT> were all here on time
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> hi :)
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ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> Hi JEff!!!
DORCASQ> All at the same time!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hello Nalliaj, welcome.
SATELLITE8:Satellite8> we are prompt!
KOLTA:Kolta> How about that!!!!!
ROYCE3:Royce3> I should say so.
NALLIAJ> peace & light 2 all
NALLIAJ> hello
KOLTA:Kolta> Even Royce was prompt :-)
ROYCE3:Royce3> And the same to you, too, Nalliaj
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, I do my best under difficult circumstances.
ROYCE3:Royce3> ha
NALLIAJ> what is tonite's subject?
ROYCE3:Royce3> The dangers of the occult.
ROYCE3:Royce3> or the supposed danger.
ROYCE3:Royce3> However, one may look at it.
NALLIAJ> ohhh...i c
NALLIAJ> what occult might we b looking at?
ROYCE3:Royce3> One of the folks who never makes the chats but faithfully
reads our logs has some comments about tonight's subject.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, Nalliaj, that brings up an interesting point.
DORCASQ> Not a cult, Nalliaj, but THE OCCULT.
ROYCE3:Royce3> It would seem that....
ROYCE3:Royce3> a lot of people....
ROYCE3:Royce3> have different ideas....
ROYCE3:Royce3> about what constitutes the occult
NALLIAJ> the occult....?there r many?
SATELLITE8:scrye> Scrye here. Hi!
ROYCE3:Royce3> One of my Christian fundamentalist friends says that even
meditating means....
ROYCE3:Royce3> that one is part of the occult scene.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Scrye.
DORCASQ> The occult is not a cult - I think we need to make this clear, Royce.
NALLIAJ> meditating means what?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, Dorcasq, very good point.
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> The christian fundamentalists are fanatics!!!
NALLIAJ> the occult as in wicca and paganism?
NALLIAJ> hold could meditating b bad/
1CAVERAT> Jeff, what is your definition of a fundamentalist?
KOLTA:Kolta> I agree with you Jeff!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Meditating is the focusing of one's mind on a single subject
to the exclusion to all others and stopping the internal dialogue that runs
through most of our minds.
NALLIAJ> noooo
NALLIAJ> i disagree
ROYCE3:Royce3> Nalliaj, what is it you disagree with?
NALLIAJ> meditating opens the mind and leads u into new personal adventure
1CAVERAT> Royce, I tend to agree with your friend
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> a fundamentalist belives Satan is the manipulator of
the occult
NALLIAJ> how else would you explore the other relms if it wereen't 4
KOLTA:Kolta> Actually, meditation can be both, it depends on what you want to
accomplish in meditation
1CAVERAT> at least as you defined it in the post
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, give me a break, guys. What I have outlined is right out
of the Zendo.
WATANNA:Watanna> you are both right
1CAVERAT> I agree on that, jeff
ROYCE3:Royce3> Certainly, meditation is to lead to the transpersonal
ROYCE3:Royce3> Thank you
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> they are Satan obsessed
KOLTA:Kolta> Not everyone follows Zendo, Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> Jeff, you have to learn to be more blunt.
NALLIAJ> in order 4 then to occure you must concentrate first on one thing
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, Kolta, but you asked for a definition.
KOLTA:Kolta> Well, we know Jeff, he is so shy and retiring
ROYCE3:Royce3> Nalliaj, I think I just said that.
ROYCE3:Royce3> yes Jeff is shy.
KOLTA:Kolta> I did not ask for a definition
ROYCE3:Royce3> No, Nalliaj did.
SATELLITE8:scrye> Nallia is offering her interpretation of what was said.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I stand corrected.
NALLIAJ> Satan obsessed is foolish....his world...if he has one ..can only
exist in the first and lowest relm
ROYCE3:Royce3> Ok
1CAVERAT> Jeff, I consider myself a fundamentalist to a point. not to the
point of forcing beliefs on others however
ROYCE3:Royce3> Caverat, can you give us a definition of fundamentalism?
ROYCE3:Royce3> And is this the "first and lowest" realm?
1CAVERAT> Yes. Belief that the Bible and teachings are directly from God
NALLIAJ> my...bad vibes...bad bad vibes....:>
1CAVERAT> and not to be altered to suit man's interpretation
KOLTA:Kolta> Bad vibes??
NALLIAJ> royce3...i think so....
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hmmmm, bad vibes from me?
1CAVERAT> me??
NALLIAJ> no...
DORCASQ> Then what, Nalliaj?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Who? What?
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KOLTA:Kolta> What are the bad vibes?
NALLIAJ> it's seems quite argumentitive here
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Santucci2, welcome.
1CAVERAT> may have to go. computer problem here at work
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> Hi everybody!
NALLIAJ> maybe i just missed something:)
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are basically a pretty quiet crowd, Nalliaj. We know one
1CAVERAT> will try to get back shortly
ROYCE3:Royce3> How are you, Starring?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Very good, Cave.
1CAVERAT> - signed off -
NALLIAJ> hi star
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> pretty good thank you
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are talking about the supposed dangers of the occult.
KOLTA:Kolta> There may be disagreements, but we try to be respectful of each
other here
ROYCE3:Royce3> And fundamentalism.
NALLIAJ> heheehe
WATANNA:Watanna> yes we respect each others views here
NALLIAJ> a little on the slow side
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> I for one have always been fascinated by it but terrifed
of it at the same time.
ROYCE3:Royce3> I would like someone to expand upon Cave's definition of
WATANNA:Watanna> I call it narrow minded
ROYCE3:Royce3> Two of the people who were invited to discuss the matter
decided not to attend.
KOLTA:Kolta> Fundamentalists take a literal interpretation of the Bible
NALLIAJ> i ahve no fasination whatso ever with the praises of evil
SATELLITE8:scrye> I have a question: do fundamentalists necessarily believe
Satan is a person? That seems to be a problem for others. Makes them seem
paranoid or something.
ROYCE3:Royce3> They were worried about being verbally attacked.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Good question, Srye.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Any know?
KOLTA:Kolta> Satan is a person to them. A fallen angel
WATANNA:Watanna> he is a fallen angel
DORCASQ> Do they think God is a person too?
NALLIAJ> they propaby think he's an all powerful unity that can rise up and
destroy them
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, I gather that what is in the bible is always literally
KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off -
WATANNA:Watanna> yes, they do on a white cloud, but it is not their fault
ROYCE3:Royce3> Nalliaj, Satan seems to figure in most of their conversations.
SATELLITE8:scrye> Well, God would have personalities, but not be a person in
monotheistic religions.
SATELLITE8:scrye> Sort of a super-person.
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NALLIAJ> many things r off kilter in the bible...but that is only my personal
beleif system...
WATANNA:Watanna> He is already destroying
ROYCE3:Royce3> I think they definitely insist on a personified God. But I'm
not sure.
KOLTA:Kolta> I think you are close to the truth Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well if they insist on a literal interpretation of the bible,
what version do they all go by?
SATELLITE8:scrye> Yes, to fundamentalists he is the Father, literally.
WATANNA:Watanna> The problem arises when they think their God is thiers only
NALLIAJ> they think satan would be a personalized god????
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, Nalliaj, as opposed to the Tao.
SATELLITE8:scrye> Satan is, to Satanists.
WATANNA:Watanna> thats true
NALLIAJ> what a bunch of crock....
KOLTA:Kolta> They like the American Standard, the living Bible, to name a few
NALLIAJ> sorry guys
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, I don't see how all of those versions can be correct.
ROYCE3:Royce3> That's ok, Nalliaj.
NALLIAJ> but this whole satan and bible thing isn't 4 me
KOLTA:Kolta> Versions of what, Royce
SATELLITE8:scrye> Well, Satanism arguably is a sham religion based on
reversing Catholicism. But to real followers it may seem to be valid.
ROYCE3:Royce3> The bible.
DORCASQ> I guess it would be easier to just believe in something like that
for some people and not have to think for themselves.
NALLIAJ> maybe you would know a channel that would talk about the spiritual
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, most of them seem to be very upset with the New Age.
WATANNA:Watanna> We are speaking as if the Occult is lead by Satan and that
is not true
DORCASQ> Yes, how did we get to that?
SATELLITE8:scrye> Who said that, Watanna?
KOLTA:Kolta> People translate the Bible according to what they believe. No
one version is going to be entirely correct. But all have truth there
ROYCE3:Royce3> Channeling, yes, I have a couple of things to say about that.
ROYCE3:Royce3> WE have someone in our IQ group who was a channeler.
WATANNA:Watanna> Occult means any belief that is not ruled by religions
ROYCE3:Royce3> Now that person is having a lot of trouble and one of my
fundamentalist friends thinks channeling brought it on.
ROYCE3:Royce3> The lady in question was also involved with automatic writing.
NALLIAJ> the bible in the first place has been translated sooooo many times
from sooooo many languages by sooooo many people,,,,i don't understand how
anyone could take it or the opposite of it literallly
ROYCE3:Royce3> That's right, Nalliaj.
ROYCE3:Royce3> How do the fundamentalists answer Nalliaj, Kolta?
KOLTA:Kolta> The Bible cannot be taken literally. But the fudamentalists
will try.
WATANNA:Watanna> The bible is written by man, so therfore there are many
untruths within
NALLIAJ> exactly but
ROYCE3:Royce3> but?
WATANNA:Watanna> yes?
SATELLITE8:scrye> Excellent points. It is hard to believe that every word is
equally inspired.
NALLIAJ> isn't it supposively written by the inspiration of the christian
KOLTA:Kolta> They view the Bible as the Word of God even though it was
written by ma
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> the bible was written by man as dictated by God.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Ma?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Your Mama?
NALLIAJ> lol royce
WATANNA:Watanna> No, it was taken from the Dead Sea Scrolls, which may I add
are hidden from us
ROYCE3:Royce3> I do my best.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, the entire bible wasn't taken from the Dead Sea Scrolls.
They were only recently unearthed.
KOLTA:Kolta> The Bible may be divinely inspired, but because ma wrote it,
there will be inconsistencies
NALLIAJ> but there r sooo many things that could of been changed just to
serve the older societies better
WATANNA:Watanna> not all
KOLTA:Kolta> Man
NALLIAJ> therefore not meeting the standards of today
ROYCE3:Royce3> The fundamentalists have a unique world view.
ROYCE3:Royce3> So what is the definition of the New Age?
WATANNA:Watanna> many items in the Bible are today being proven to have
happened much earlier than the dates specified
ROYCE3:Royce3> That is a favorite whipping boy of the fundamentalists.
NALLIAJ> yeh...their world or the cults
NALLIAJ> its sad really
ROYCE3:Royce3> There seem to be different groups of fundamentalists, too.
WATANNA:Watanna> Well, New Age means, a drop out.
WATANNA:Watanna> in England
ROYCE3:Royce3> I don't mean to lump caverat in with some of the extreme
WATANNA:Watanna> lol
ROYCE3:Royce3> A drop out??????
NALLIAJ> when actually it teaches u to b better in tuned with ur own
ROYCE3:Royce3> I like that.
KOLTA:Kolta> That is interesting Watanna
WATANNA:Watanna> you bet it is Kolta
ROYCE3:Royce3> Why are the fundamentalists so down on the New Age people?
ROYCE3:Royce3> They seem afraid of them
DORCASQ> Perhaps because they don't take the bible literally.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Scrye?
WATANNA:Watanna> I am afraid the title New Age has been given to the wrong
people over here
NALLIAJ> watanna....we don't neeed no eeducation...dada...da...da....dada
KOLTA:Kolta> There are many things such as divination that we do that the
Bible speaks against
SATELLITE8:scrye> Well, clearly we now have Na, New Age, versus Ma, the
writer of the Bible.
WATANNA:Watanna> you are in need of much my dear
KOLTA:Kolta> That is why fundametalists come down on us
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, kolta, are we here really New Agers?
NALLIAJ> i think so royce
KOLTA:Kolta> I would say no
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well what criteria do we use to decide?
NALLIAJ> then what r we??
ROYCE3:Royce3> Are we or are we not?
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NALLIAJ> oh boy
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Hart, welcome.
NALLIAJ> thats deep
HART5:Coyote Song> hello
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are talking about the New Age.
NALLIAJ> hi hart
KOLTA:Kolta> A lot of us practice things that have been around long since the
term New Age came into being
SATELLITE8:scrye> Even I, a born-again Christian, because of my unique
baptism and unconventional beliefs, am New Age to fundamentalists.
DORCASQ> Right Kolta
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, if one is into Zen, I don't think they can be called New
NALLIAJ> veery true
HART5> .
WATANNA:Watanna> I like to call us enlightened
ROYCE3:Royce3> Do the fundamentalists know that they are generalizing?
NALLIAJ> this religion is even older than the christian one
KOLTA:Kolta> I will say that meditation is coming into non-fundamentalist
churches now
ROYCE3:Royce3> How is that Kolta?
SATELLITE8:scrye> Whoa, Nallia, what religion is?
NALLIAJ> if u want to get teechnical....which i do
ROYCE3:Royce3> They have meditation periods in churches?
NALLIAJ> wicca, paganism, etc....all older
SATELLITE8:scrye> Yes, oftentimes, Royce.
KOLTA:Kolta> When I was involved in the church, in the 70's and 80's....
HART5> .
KOLTA:Kolta> different parishes would have meditation included in workshops
on spiritality
SATELLITE8:scrye> Yes, Nallia. Wicca is the Old Religion to Christians.
WATANNA:Watanna> There is nothing that I do that would harm any living thing,
yet, I am classed as evil, because I give love, light and healing
ROYCE3:Royce3> Can anyone define the New Age? Do you consider yourself a new
Ager, Watanna?
NALLIAJ> they killed pagans back then because it interferred with the
christian control system
SATELLITE8:scrye> You do not go through a priest, Watanna, therfore you must
be going through Satan! That's the logic.
WATANNA:Watanna> No, I am too old to be new lol lol, I consider myself to be
a light worker
WATANNA:Watanna> No, I go straight to the top
ROYCE3:Royce3> How many here consider themselves to be Christians? How many
aren't sure?
NALLIAJ> pagans weren't scared of god....they knew better and otherwise,
therefore could not b controlled by the christian churches
SATELLITE8:scrye> Defining New Age is the subject of whole books. I have
one, in fact that has a self-test.
WATANNA:Watanna> not me, I carry NO religion
KOLTA:Kolta> The church has really missed the message of Christ who
eliminated the need for priests
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DORCASQ> I am not sure - what exactly is a christian?
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> I do.
SATELLITE8:scrye> Very good, Kolta!
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PLAYA693> wuz up
ROYCE3:Royce3> I guess a Christian is someone who believes Christ to be their
HART5> : )
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NALLIAJ> but follows the teachings of their bibles
SATELLITE8:scrye> That is the most basic characteristic, Royce.
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> I admit that I am not a good christian and don't always
do as I should but non the less.....
NALLIAJ> to be the devine word of their holy unity
ROYCE3:Royce3> But nonetheless you consider yourself to be a Christian,
SATELLITE8:scrye> Not all of us do, Nallia.
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> I've been told by fundamentalists that UFOs and their
occupants are creatures from Hell and are under the control of Satan
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> yes I do
NALLIAJ> why not...just curious...
SATELLITE8:scrye> That would be more toward the fundamentalist belief.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Jeff, that's a basic tenet of the fundamentalists I've talked
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SATELLITE8:scrye> Kolta, you last comment was very good.
NALLIAJ> that is extremely silly ,jeff
KOLTA:Kolta> Thanks Scrye
ROYCE3:Royce3> Nalliaj, a lot of them feel that way.
WATANNA:Watanna> Jeff is right, that is what they think
NALLIAJ> if there r other life....what makes them bad ?
SATELLITE8:scrye> Royce, it cannot be a basic tenet. It is too new.
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SANTUCCI2:StarRing> from my teachings, all life is precious to the Lord God
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi lonshine, welcome.
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Blessings to all
HART5> .
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are talking about UFOs and demons.
WATANNA:Watanna> it is StarRing
NALLIAJ> and why would they ever have the time to zoom around making human
life evil....i'm sure they have better things to do in their alien lives
KOLTA:Kolta> Those are good teachings then, Star
LONSHINE:Lonshine> .
ROYCE3:Royce3> I don't think Cave thinks UFOs are piloted by demons.
LONSHINE:Lonshine> May I jump in when I have something to add?
HART5> Hi loneshine
ROYCE3:Royce3> So probably there are a lot of differences of opinions on that
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes lonshin
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Hi Coyotesong Blessings Dearheart
ROYCE3:Royce3> Go ahead
LONSHINE:Lonshine> No opinions yet but thanks
SATELLITE8:scrye> I think that if one is cynical and pessimistic, he could
find evidence in the Bible reinforcing that. If he were hopeful and
trusting, he would find that.
NALLIAJ> i'm just going to watch 4 a while
HART5> : )
LONSHINE:Lonshine> I'm very opinionated give me a minute LOL
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> exactly scrye
WATANNA:Watanna> true Scrye
LONSHINE:Lonshine> .
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, Kolta, who are the primary "shakers and doers" in the
fundamentalist movement. Who are calling the shots?
KOLTA:Kolta> Many fundamentalists believe ETs are evil because they are not
in the Bible. I have heard that from them many times
ROYCE3:Royce3> I've never been able to figure that out.
NALLIAJ> it seems they could find a passage in the bible for anything they
want to convince u of....
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Yes I have too Kolta
SATELLITE8:scrye> The Bible is quite large, Nallia. LOL
KOLTA:Kolta> Unfortunately, the bigwigs are people like Pat Robertson and
Jerry Faallwell
LONSHINE:Lonshine> I had a pastor say that simply said doesn't say there
isn't :)
ROYCE3:Royce3> What sort of unity is there among Christian theologians?
KOLTA:Kolta> I cannot spell
WATANNA:Watanna> I agre Kolta
WATANNA:Watanna> neither can I lol
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Not much Royce
KOLTA:Kolta> Theologians are not as unified as you might think
LONSHINE:Lonshine> No in fact they differ more then agree
KOLTA:Kolta> There are many different schools of theology
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> The human race in general is a huge pompous ass. Where
does it say that because God created Earth, he didn't create anything else?
SATELLITE8:scrye> A bad speller is not noticed so much when she makes a
mistake. You must be a good speller, Kolta!
NALLIAJ> ex.elephants can poop out gold and they could find something in the
bible saying in not soo many words...."and therefore elephants haveth been
thereas shall poo out of their anals thrivefold of pooo
DORCASQ> Why do so many people connect demons with the occult?
NALLIAJ> and human will dance and praise unto the poo
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Thats from years of teaching fear
KOLTA:Kolta> Unfortunately, the Bible just concentrates on this planet
HART5> .
NALLIAJ> as they shall have done to their neighbors
WATANNA:Watanna> because we are not experienced enough Kolta
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Have any of you heard of Urantia Book?
KOLTA:Kolta> Yes Lonshine
WATANNA:Watanna> sorry Dorcasq
ROYCE3:Royce3> Talk about it Lonshine.
NALLIAJ> what does it incover
LONSHINE:Lonshine> This tells of evolving life throughout the Universe
ROYCE3:Royce3> Who wrote it Lonshine?
KOLTA:Kolta> Very good
NALLIAJ> i've read the celestine phophecies
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Well its a mixture of philosphy science and relion
LONSHINE:Lonshine> oops religion
SATELLITE8:scrye> Urantia - talk about big books!
ROYCE3:Royce3> How old is the text, Lonshine?
NALLIAJ> it also tells of the developement of the universe
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Yes indeed 2097 pages known as Big blue
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Yes tells about our total history
KOLTA:Kolta> Urantia was suppose to be given by angels, right?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Have you read it cover to cover, Lonshine?
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Yes Kolta though some prefer alien channeled
ROYCE3:Royce3> During what time period, Kolta?
LONSHINE:Lonshine> No it shall be a life time of reading and learning in it
HART5> .
KOLTA:Kolta> I do not remember. Lonshine knows more than I
ROYCE3:Royce3> Was the original translation in English?
DORCASQ> Who wrote it...did I miss that?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Who put the words in print?
SATELLITE8:scrye> Does the world need more huge scriptures. I'd like to read
the Mahabharatta. but at 100,000 pages... probably will have to put it down
at some point.
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Hmm hard question suppose to have been translated from
higher beings
ROYCE3:Royce3> Gee, Sat, we will be looking for a book report.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Scrye.
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Its was channeled in 1933 not published until 55
WATANNA:Watanna> looks like I shall be buying another book lol
ROYCE3:Royce3> Who did the channeling?
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LONSHINE:Lonshine> I have this book on my website but it exists in many
places on web Watanna
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi UFOPIX, we are talking about ufos and demons.
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SATELLITE8:scrye> I make serious points with humor, R.
WATANNA:Watanna> thankyou Lonshine :-)
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JOASHA:Joasha> heyla
NALLIAJ> hi josh
HART5> Heyla Joasha
WATANNA:Watanna> Heyla Joasha
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi Joasha, we are talking about everything.
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Never named the soul My guess would be that it was edgar
casey but never named channelor
NALLIAJ> and nothing at the same time
ROYCE3:Royce3> But the occult and UFOs figure into the equation tonight.
JOASHA:Joasha> wonderful. today is a great day to be very versatile
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes that's true.
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Blessings Sis (((((((((Joasha)))))))))))))))
HART5> .
ROYCE3:Royce3> So Lonshine, tell us about your belief system.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Do you study the book every day?

NALLIAJ> well...i must be off
NALLIAJ> peace 2u all
ROYCE3:Royce3> So soon Nalliaj?
NALLIAJ> and goodnite
WATANNA:Watanna> blessings Nalliaj
ROYCE3:Royce3> I hope you will be back.
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Well Royce I pick it up once a day anyway
LONSHINE:Lonshine> it began a wonderful journey for me
NALLIAJ> maybe tomorrow same time royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> Have you read it a number of times?
ROYCE3:Royce3> We start at 7 tomorrow.
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Night nallia
NALLIAJ> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> New time: 7
DORCASQ> Looks I will be buying a new book too.
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Blessings
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> If the fundamentalists ever acquire political power
what will they do to UFO believers?
JOASHA:Joasha> Lonshine and I have been good friends for a couple of years
ROYCE3:Royce3> Jeff, they will start by throwing your butt in jail.
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Wouldn't care to guess Jeff
WATANNA:Watanna> crucify us jeff
ROYCE3:Royce3> Jeff will get the middle cross.
KOLTA:Kolta> You better hope that the fundametalists do not acquire politcal
power, Jeff
SATELLITE8:scrye> Give us the float test?
WATANNA:Watanna> lol Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yeah, the float test!!!!!!
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Yes hon and I could find tele or I would have called
WATANNA:Watanna> scrye lol
KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> Explain that, Scrye.
DORCASQ> I think they already have political power.
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Yes I would agree
WATANNA:Watanna> so do I Dorcasq
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HART5> .
LONSHINE:Lonshine> lets say I think they have been communicaiting with our
government for years
ROYCE3:Royce3> How many of you have every considered becoming a
fundamentalist? And remember that Cave says that he is one.
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Meaning US
WATANNA:Watanna> not me
SATELLITE8:scrye> They will weigh you down and throw you in the lake, If you
sink, you are innocent. If you pop up, you are of Satan and must burn at the
KOLTA:Kolta> I was one for a while
ROYCE3:Royce3> See, Kolta can speak from experience.
KOLTA:Kolta> I will never go back to them
WATANNA:Watanna> I have never been
ROYCE3:Royce3> What caused you to become a fundamentalist, Kolta?
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> LOL
JOASHA:Joasha> I am fundamentally a psychic indian hehehehehe
WATANNA:Watanna> lol
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Yeahhhhhh!!!!!
HART5> hehehe
KOLTA:Kolta> I was in college and searching at the time. For the moment,
they seemed to have the answers
JOASHA:Joasha> I knew Hart would get a chuckle out of that
ROYCE3:Royce3> What caused you to bail out of the movement, Kolta?
LONSHINE:Lonshine> :)
KOLTA:Kolta> But, I grew up and left
ROYCE3:Royce3> What specifically upset you, Kolta?
HART5> : )
KOLTA:Kolta> Lack of freedom made me leave
ROYCE3:Royce3> Can you expand upon that, Kolta?
JOASHA:Joasha> when the psychic is opening, the desire for extreme energies
sometimes puts one on the path of church for awhile
KOLTA:Kolta> I could not practice things and do things I was interested in
such as Ufos, divination, and real spirituality
LONSHINE:Lonshine> :)
ROYCE3:Royce3> How do they feel about divination?
ROYCE3:Royce3> The tarrot?
JOASHA:Joasha> you are so open that you just want to be 'filled'
KOLTA:Kolta> Tarot, my bad typing
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, my bad typing, too.
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> Is the tarrot Satan from the fundamentalist perspective?
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Indeed sis > although I'm not psychic > I understand that
KOLTA:Kolta> Tarot is divnation, they do not like it
LONSHINE:Lonshine> the Tarrot is very old
ROYCE3:Royce3> What specifically do they have against it?
KOLTA:Kolta> Yes Jeff
ROYCE3:Royce3> There must be some reason
KOLTA:Kolta> Jeff got the answer. It leaves room for the demonic
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Its born of Jewish relgion I think very ancient I believe
ROYCE3:Royce3> We know what Scrye means!!!!!! Tell us about that scrye!
KOLTA:Kolta> Reincarnation was in both early Judiasm and Christianity, and it
was written out of both of them
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Probly the main reason christains don't mess with it
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Yes thats cause of the churchs control
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GOBAXTER> Hey room
ROYCE3:Royce3> Hi go, welcome.
SATELLITE8:scrye> didn't say anything, R.
GOBAXTER> what's happenin?
HART5> :)
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Hey Gobaxter:)
ROYCE3:Royce3> We are talking about UFOs and demons and such.
DORCASQ> I was scrolling up, trying to find what Scrye said???
ROYCE3:Royce3> How many of you use divination ?
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Yes me too :(
WATANNA:Watanna> I do
GOBAXTER> UFO's and Demons? Aren't they 2 different subjects?
JOASHA:Joasha> me
SATELLITE8:scrye> The Tarot's origins are Egyptian, not Jewish.
KOLTA:Kolta> I do
ROYCE3:Royce3> I wanted Scrye to tell us about his name--scrye.
JOASHA:Joasha> yes Scrye
LONSHINE:Lonshine> and in many ways related in the hearts and minds of
WATANNA:Watanna> not according to religions Go
GOBAXTER> Anyone ever seen an actual UFO with their own eyes?
JOASHA:Joasha> is to divine
ROYCE3:Royce3> Probably most of us G.
JOASHA:Joasha> yes go
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> EVEN the latest UFO candidate for President did very
poorly in New Hamsphire?
SATELLITE8:scrye> Oh, it means to look hard and see clearly, in short.
ROYCE3:Royce3> So how many use a divination method?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Anyone use the I Ching regularly?
LONSHINE:Lonshine> I don't although I've had readings of many types not sure
if thats what you mean though
KOLTA:Kolta> Jeff. I saw in an article that out of 15 cadidates, Harder came
in 4th
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HART5> .
ROYCE3:Royce3> The Tarot, I Ching are the most common I guess. Reading tea
leaves would be another method
KOLTA:Kolta> I use the Tarot
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> With all of 192 votes
WATANNA:Watanna> I too use Tarot
JOASHA:Joasha> numerology and totems
ROYCE3:Royce3> How does one use totems?
WATANNA:Watanna> I love totems Joasha
ROYCE3:Royce3> What are totems?
JOASHA:Joasha> colors and astrology
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Numerlogy always pegs me
WATANNA:Watanna> and me Lonshine lol
ROYCE3:Royce3> Totems are colors and astrology?
HART5> Colors?
JOASHA:Joasha> I always use a combination and totems are the animal spirits
that are around you
ROYCE3:Royce3> Please explain.
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Joasha did my first one blew my mind still does :)
ROYCE3:Royce3> ??????????
JOASHA:Joasha> we all have spiritual guides from all of the kingdoms
ROYCE3:Royce3> Help the totem challenged????
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Yes sister
JOASHA:Joasha> plants, animals, minerals, etc.
WATANNA:Watanna> Good night everyone, its a bit late now for me, love, light
and peace to you all. Thankyou
KOLTA:Kolta> Joasha, we all have an animal totem right?
WATANNA:Watanna> - signed off -
JOASHA:Joasha> yes Kolta
HART5> Good Dreaming Watanna
JOASHA:Joasha> night Watanna
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Buffalo is regular visitor in my dreamtime these days
ROYCE3:Royce3> What the hell are totems?
JOASHA:Joasha> I told you Royce. they are animal spirit guides
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Love and light watanna (((((((((((((Hugs)))))))))))))))
ROYCE3:Royce3> Oh, all right. Thank you Joasha.
KOLTA:Kolta> I was told mine was the bear
ROYCE3:Royce3> Gee.
DORCASQ> I thought totems were bags to carry things in :)
JOASHA:Joasha> good one Dorcasq. hehe
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Wolf is also visiting always white sis
ROYCE3:Royce3> I think I hear your mother calling you, Dorcasq.
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> I thought they were the people that carried the bags! LOL
ROYCE3:Royce3> MAMA?
ROYCE3:Royce3> How many of you are afraid of demons?
ROYCE3:Royce3> How many of you have felt their presence?
HART5> .
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Not me
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> I am and yes
KOLTA:Kolta> I am not afraid of them
LONSHINE:Lonshine> I have felt thier presence I thought as a child
ROYCE3:Royce3> Tell us about it Santucci.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Interesting.
LONSHINE:Lonshine> But I am not afraid of demons or the devil for that manner
DORCASQ> I am not afraid either.
ROYCE3:Royce3> You don't fear the devil? Why not Lonshine?
JOASHA:Joasha> nope. why fear something that you have complete choice about
KOLTA:Kolta> If we fear them, then we give them power over us
HART5> I was taught to turn around and face the demons ,
DORCASQ> Exactly, Hart!
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> Please explain Joasha
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Fear brings him power and strength, truly believe he only
exists in the hearts and minds of some men
ROYCE3:Royce3> have you ever looked satan in the face, Hart?
HART5> i can't say,
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> I would rather not, no offense. It was not a good
LONSHINE:Lonshine> a complete choice inded Joa
ROYCE3:Royce3> In case satan is listening, are you all telling him you think
he is weak?
KOLTA:Kolta> But, we can face the demons that are inside of ourselves
JOASHA:Joasha> they are doing good Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, Joasha.
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LONSHINE:Lonshine> No I'm sayimg he has no power over me Unless I choose to
let him
JOASHA:Joasha> he is only as strong as you let it be
ROYCE3:Royce3> Who would like to laugh at satan tonight?
KOLTA:Kolta> That is right Loshine
ROYCE3:Royce3> Would anyone here fear a curse?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Do you all feel secure in teasing Satan?
DORCASQ> Do you believe in curses, Royce?
KOLTA:Kolta> Again, a curse has no more power over us than we allow it to have
LONSHINE:Lonshine> No again that would be giving my power away
ROYCE3:Royce3> Yes, I do, Dorcasq
KOLTA:Kolta> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> Roaring silence.
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DORCASQ> Who do you believe would have the power to put a curse on you, Royce?
SATELLITE8:scrye> Don't mess with anything whose existence and/or power you
are unsure of!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Any of you feel a shiver done your spine?
LONSHINE:Lonshine> I would have been hiding for last year and a half if I
believed in Curses
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> I'm sorry but I have to go.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Ok, Santucci bye
ROYCE3:Royce3> Come back tomorrow.
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> bye all.
SANTUCCI2:StarRing> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> The point is, I think it is possible for one to sustain
psychic damage.
KOLTA:Kolta> Well, I am sure that Satan has no power over me because I will
not let him
ROYCE3:Royce3> Some caution is in order.
UFOPIX> Satan is a cunning and deceptive evasion of the truth!
ROYCE3:Royce3> Very good UFO.
JOASHA:Joasha> prayer is the most powerful use of any tool or weapon on earth
KOLTA:Kolta> I do not go near him, but I do not worry about him
ROYCE3:Royce3> UFOPIX, do you use any divination methods? Tarot, I Ching?
LONSHINE:Lonshine> agree Joa
SATELLITE8:scrye> Another winner, ditto, Kolta.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Do any of you feel that practicing the occult is dangerous?
JOASHA:Joasha> ditto here too Sis
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Indeed Kolta indeed
ROYCE3:Royce3> Or does anything go?
JOASHA:Joasha> Heavens NO!!!! I am a practicing Occultist
LONSHINE:Lonshine> dangereous NO
DORCASQ> I believe it is for some people if they don't understand what they
are doing.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Well, maybe you are more savvy than most, Joasha.
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> If Satan came to the world he would be sauve, handsome,
and very polished. He would be a real charmer
KOLTA:Kolta> That is true, D
JOASHA:Joasha> the word Occult means 'things that are secret or hidden'
SATELLITE8:scrye> When you walk in the woods, if you stay on the path, you
are less likely to be snakebitten.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Some people can climb mountains and not get hurt. Others fall,
UFOPIX> Knowlelge of ones own divine source and the power to choose good over
evil are the tools of the enlightened.
JOASHA:Joasha> just saying that the right use of the word is necessary
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Indeed UFo Yes !!!!!
KOLTA:Kolta> You do have to be cautious
HART5> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> What percentage of the world do you think is enlightened,
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> He would make evil appear as the good
LONSHINE:Lonshine> More and more daily :)
ROYCE3:Royce3> Really?
SATELLITE8:scrye> My chart says avoid the occult. I am drawn as a moth to
the flame. But it is good for some.
KOLTA:Kolta> Jeff is right
ROYCE3:Royce3> That's interesting.
JOASHA:Joasha> must go. flying out to Santa Fe in the 'early' morn. see you
all next week on Wednesday
ROYCE3:Royce3> Bye Joasha,
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Love you Joasha
ROYCE3:Royce3> Have a safe trip.
JOASHA:Joasha> I love all of you
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JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> He is not going to come with horns and A SATAN custume
LONSHINE:Lonshine> I too must go enjoy the evening all
KOLTA:Kolta> We have to depend on the power of the spirit within
ROYCE3:Royce3> Good night Lonshine.
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Yes Kolta
ROYCE3:Royce3> Come back.
LONSHINE:Lonshine> godnight all Peace and Balance
SATELLITE8:scrye> Right, Jeff. he is the Great Deceiver (if he exists as a
LONSHINE:Lonshine> I shall its been interesting
KOLTA:Kolta> Then we will know when Satan appears as an angel of light
ROYCE3:Royce3> It's getting late gang. I want to remind you all that the chat
will start at 7 tomorrow.
LONSHINE:Lonshine> You all are invited to Sacred Paths too :)
ROYCE3:Royce3> Thank you Lonshine.
SATELLITE8:scrye> But don't shoot every angel you see! LOL
KOLTA:Kolta> Lol
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Watch the awakening and enlightening in action :)
UFOPIX> There is never going to be 100% enlightenment in this world as it is-
that is why we can choose good over evil and show our creator and those in
the angelic realm our true self
LONSHINE:Lonshine> Love and Light all
LONSHINE:Lonshine> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> Anyone like to make a last comment on Heather Harder?
ROYCE3:Royce3> How many votes did she get?
DORCASQ> Could she be a devil in disguise?
SATELLITE8:scrye> I offer my percentage of the enlightened: .0001% and
KOLTA:Kolta> I doubt it D
ROYCE3:Royce3> Heather is the UFO aware candidate, UFOPIX.
ROYCE3:Royce3> We have her story on our website.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Thanks to Jeff Love.
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> She is a lady of high ideals, but UFOs remain the taboo
subject Of American politics!
ROYCE3:Royce3> It would seem that way.
ROYCE3:Royce3> Has anyone gotten their volunteer assignments from her office?
KOLTA:Kolta> High ideals do not last long in the government either
DORCASQ> No, unfortunately, Kolta.
SATELLITE8:scrye> Goodnight, everyone. Fabulous chat, Royce.
ROYCE3:Royce3> How many of you are now on the job for her?
ROYCE3:Royce3> Thanks, Scrye. Great to have you.
ROYCE3:Royce3> All right gang.
SATELLITE8:scrye> Bye!
ROYCE3:Royce3> I have a meeting coming up.
ROYCE3:Royce3> So that is it for tonight.
UFOPIX> Has Heather seen ufos or been in contact with the ufo pilots?
KOLTA:Kolta> Good chat Royce
ROYCE3:Royce3> Please come back tomorrow at 7.
DORCASQ> We will let you leave early tonite, Royce.
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> bye
JEFFLOVE999:jefflove> - signed off -
ROYCE3:Royce3> Thanks for coming all.
ROYCE3:Royce3> bye
DORCASQ> Thanks, bye everyone!
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